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  1. #61
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    Alleo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youkulm View Post
    The only real problem is they need to keep up with demand. They can't keep waiting to add wards until the community is over boiling with vitriol.
    Exactly. There might have been enough houses for now but they still need to consider that they need more if the game grows, which means that they need to add more and more wards in the future..I can already see a post where they say that they cant add more wards because the server would collaps otherwise.

    I still think that instanced personal housing would have been the best and wards for FC only with the plots being the same size for everyone so that everyone can choose the size of their house. Because in the end I do believe that a lot of people probably still want bigger houses which will never be possible with that system.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  2. #62
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    Wild Mumu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Because in the end I do believe that a lot of people probably still want bigger houses which will never be possible with that system.
    Welcome to almost any MMO where players dont get all they want regardless how hard they try to achieve something.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madbunny View Post
    Welcome to almost any MMO where players dont get all they want regardless how hard they try to achieve something.
    how many mmos prevent you from getting those things via artificial scarcity?
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    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

  4. #64
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    Malfoy Fleurentine
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    In all honesty, on Sargatanas I felt like it was an entirely different situation and atmosphere than usual. Of course there was the typical problem of all the choicest plots going as fast as ever, with some not being available at all due to transfers, but at the end of the day a house is a house. It at least opens you up to being able to transfer to a more preferred plot later on, and I was actually able to snag one in what I consider to be a pretty good spot for me after a full day of work once housing came open to individual players again, which would have been unheard of before these changes. It shows me just how huge of an impact flippers were having on the housing market and how many players were being locked out.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    how many mmos prevent you from getting those things via artificial scarcity?
    All (most) of them, but i will take WoW as i played that game for 12 years - enough to mention Black Qiraji mount or to say a mount what would put the owner among gods. With housing you always have a chance regardless how small it is, with that mount you had only one chance and once is over your desire to get that item - dies. But there are so many other things with more than clear message "you will never again have the opportunity to get it" that i will need several post just to list them all.
    Oh almost forgot, at the time when this items were available to obtain there was only few players (literally few) who manage to actually get them. Speaking of "artificial scarcity"... But do you know what was always abundant - snowflakes like you.
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    Last edited by Madbunny; 02-25-2018 at 09:56 AM.

  6. #66
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    how many mmos prevent you from getting those things via artificial scarcity?
    All of them? RNG is a way of creating artificial scarcity as drop rates are adjusted. Some items may be given a 10% drop rate because the game devs don't want the item to be that scarce. Other items are given a drop rate of 0.01% because they are intended to be very scarce.

    Housing is not scarce on Coeurl right now. You want a house? Come and get it. Available smalls are all over the place. Some mediums are still available. Larges are gone but there's always a chance you find one that's been relinquished (happened twice last week that I noticed). We've got the same supply of houses as any other world so it's not a matter of artificial scarcity at work.
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madbunny View Post
    Welcome to almost any MMO where players dont get all they want regardless how hard they try to achieve something.
    Then dont put marketing and items behind such a thing. There is a difference between something being rare or hard to achieve and something being limited in numbers yet still receiving big amounts of items. I mean if we argue like that maybe we should limit other parts of the game too? Raids only for the first 10 teams per server? Or maybe only 100 mounts dropping from these raids? (And yes I also dislike the hellhound in pvp)

    Housing is a big part of this game which can be seen in the amount of items we get and it being part of the website. Not only that put SE finally reacted after another round of rage from the community.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  8. #68
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    I don't feel as though it was 'successful'. They've simply made it more difficult for honest players to get a hold of a house, especially on a busier server.

    Right now there are twenty people standing around the placard of an empty housing plot on Balmung. Mindlessly clicking it over and over in the hope that they will be lucky enough to succeed at securing the house for themselves when it unlocks. I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing it through an automated system whilst AFK.
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  9. #69
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    Calista Fallon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    how many mmos prevent you from getting those things via artificial scarcity?
    None that I ever played. This was a first after playing numerous MMOs. "Oh, you can't get one because there are none left within gameplay." lmao. The poster above described Balmung people clicking for hours trying to get a plot off timer makes me ill. No excuse for that BS in an MMO. This game is marketed as having housing as part of the available experience. If it's not available, it's fraud.
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    Last edited by Besame; 02-26-2018 at 04:04 AM.

  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besame View Post
    None that I ever played. This was a first after playing numerous MMOs. "Oh, you can't get one because there are none left within gameplay." lmao. The poster above described balmung people clicking for hours trying to get a plot off timer makes me ill. No excuse for that BS in an MMO. This game is marketed as having housing as part of the available experience. If it's not available, it's fraud.
    I had two FC mates go through that exact process. One was able to get a house. The other gave up after a few hours and hasn't actually logged in since then

    I find the Scarab Lord title from WoW to not be equivalent. Scarab Lord and the Black Qiraji mount are just vanity pieces. Housing in this game is actual content. Nothing prevents me at any point from trying to get the achievements from raiding or PVP. It's always available for me to try. But there are a lot of people that have the gil for a house, there just simply isn't one for them to buy.
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    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

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