Plz do something about the multiplot owners

[Keridwyn]

As long as loopholes like selling FCs and the timer not counting for relocation then we'll still have people doing everything they can to buy multiple houses. It's an easy fix to have the timer apply to relocation, the hard part to stop is the sale of FCs. If SE actually manages to get that done then we might stop seeing folks buying extras for resale.

That said, leave the folks who didn't buy for resale alone. That guy that owns a house for his alt, trust me he's not hurting you. Those two that bought half a ward, yeah that's a bit much but eh, they can't buy anymore now. Eventually folks like these might move on from multi-plot ownership. Either because they server transfer or have to take a hiatus or maybe because SE makes some alt friendly housing feature changes, eventually the houses will be back on the market without help from your outrage. The rule is in place now and that's all we needed.

[TinyRedLeaf]

You misunderstand here, why settle for 100% when you can get almost 10-15x more?

And you seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding one very key point: If the developers had wanted housing to be a freely traded item, like all other commodities in the game, then housing transactions would have been made as easily accessible as market-board trading from Day One.

The plots weren't meant to be flipped. But some people, being greedy, spotted a loophole, and essentially created a black market in FFXIV housing. And because it's a black market, it's essentially unregulated, and price gouging occurs.

Sure, willing buyer, willing seller. But let's not pretend that it's not greed that allowed the seller to inflate the prices as high as he could.

What makes this scenario particularly egregious, however, is that the scarcity is made worse by players who sought to corner the market, and drive up prices. It's monopolistic behaviour, and it shouldn't be so hard for reasonable people to see why this is far from fair. Anti-trust rules exist in real-life precisely because people feel, with good reason, that monopolies unfairly distort prices.

It's fundamentally different from how the market board works. In practice, anyone can enter the market board to sell a commodity, especially if it has become so scarce that it commands a premium.

But, in the FFXIV housing market, supply is absolutely limited by how many the team has released. Only those who have houses can join in the market to sell. And it shouldn't take a genius to realise that those who cornered the sellers' market have abused the situation in order to profiteer.

And that is why there is ethical problem here: Players are attempting to profit from an item that wasn't designed to be traded from the outset.

Be that as it may, no matter how bad the situation is, I can readily agree that it was the developers' fault in the first place, in allowing some players to corner the housing market the way they have.

Which is why I am in no way saying that such players ought to be "punished".

The key word I'm using is to "incentivise" such players to give up an investment that isn't as worthwhile any more. Where is the harm in putting forward an option like that? Once again, it's a potentially win-win situation for all parties involved.

[ManuelBravo]

And you seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding one very key point: If the developers had wanted housing to be a freely traded item, like all other commodities in the game, then housing transactions would have been made as easily accessible as market-board trading from Day One.

Come on think about it if that was the case they would have placed restrictions before hand. If it was not fluke the restrictions would have been made since ARR.

What makes this scenario particularly egregious, however, is that the scarcity is made worse by players who sought to corner the market, and drive up prices. It's monopolistic behaviour, and it shouldn't be so hard for reasonable people to see why this is far from fair. Anti-trust rules exist in real-life precisely because people feel, with good reason, that monopolies unfairly distort prices.

Key words REAL LIFE, we are talking about a game in which people can choose different roles and play styles. The only reason SE is banning multiple housing now is because of too many complains. Just like many complains about nerfing content that is not difficult, all their doing is trying to accommodate the masses. To accommodate they grandfather people to prevent a legal backlash and compensation of multiple people without having to identify each account which would be a waste of man power and resources.

Which is why I am in no way saying that such players ought to be "punished".

The key word I'm using is to "incentivise" such players to give up an investment that isn't as worthwhile any more. Where is the harm in putting forward an option like that? Once again, it's a potentially win-win situation for all parties involved.

So people should be penalized for proactively displaying entrepreneur traits in the gaming world that others lack and compensated with 100% reimbursement for their hard work plus some extra which would hardly compare to what they had made in the past?

Here is an incentive that might make sense, give us minimum 15x what the plot is worth. That may be fair. That is how I see it as a win win.

Keep in mind prices vary by server also.

I know your saying people should not be punished, however they are given a choice.

[Rokke]

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He doesn't understand mutual exclusivity, you are attempting to debate with a wall.

Those two that bought half a ward, yeah that's a bit much but eh, they can't buy anymore now.

Assuming you mean the Mateus couple, they actually own the full ward now lol

[TinyRedLeaf]

@ManuelBravo

You really suffer from poor reading comprehension, don't you?

Let me try to put it as simply as possible: Fine, I accept that plot hoarders have broken no rules, and therefore cannot be, and should not be punished.

But I do believe that if they can be incentivised to give up the extra plots, they should be.

It's optional. If multi-plot owners feel a 100% refund on the maximum value of the plot is a bad deal, they can walk away from it. Everything remains at status quo.

There. Simple enough for you to understand?

[Keridwyn]

He doesn't understand mutual exclusivity, you are attempting to debate with a wall.



Assuming you mean the Mateus couple, they actually own the full ward now lol

Lol, I forgot the 'each'.

[ManuelBravo]

@ManuelBravo

You really suffer from poor reading comprehension, don't you?

I understand what saying in forms of persuasion to let us give up our extra plots for the less fortunate players. I get it. What I am arguing is that people complain over benefits over others just because it's unfair to them and don't see it from the opposite sides. Just like @Rokke who seems to lack common sense at looking the bigger picture, you both seem to misunderstand one thing. Their is a reason why SE has not given an incentive to players with multiple plots, other wise that would have been as well or a notice would have been made. All that SE has done is made it harder for people to flip plots by adding additional restrictions. So instead of questioning someones intelligence pls feel free to look at it from the opposite perspective. The world be it game or RL is a business. Cash shops, extra services proof that. They know legally they would have a large backlash. Hence why multi plots are not a violation of terms of use.

[ko_]

Why is it ok to own a full ward? Even if noone was buying the plots why is buying up an entire ward looked at as ok to do? I mean you can't do it anymore but still? We got some people defending that and I have to be missing something.. cause no matter how I look at it.. I can only see it as greed. And isn't greed a BAD thing?

[SenorPatty]

Why is it ok to own a full ward? Even if noone was buying the plots why is buying up an entire ward looked at as ok to do? I mean you can't do it anymore but still? We got some people defending that and I have to be missing something.. cause no matter how I look at it.. I can only see it as greed. And isn't greed a BAD thing?

Defending that or not is irrelevant because the question is aimed at the wrong people: the playerbase.

That's a question to be pointed at SE during their next live letter. Let them answer that. Until then, this entire thread is moot.

[Vidu]

Why is it ok to own a full ward? Even if noone was buying the plots why is buying up an entire ward looked at as ok to do? I mean you can't do it anymore but still? We got some people defending that and I have to be missing something.. cause no matter how I look at it.. I can only see it as greed. And isn't greed a BAD thing?

Taking something that no one wanted is greedy and a bad thing?
You need to keep in mind: During the time those two ladies started buying that ward NO ONE wanted those plots. They talked about seeing people move out, not in. They saw something, no one else was intrested in and they took an intrest instead.
You can argue that once the housing crisis reached Mateus aswell that it was "greedy" or "selfish" of them to keep the plots instead of giving some up for the people transfering to the server now - personally I'd say it would be nice of them to give up some houses, but they're by no means required to do so and by no means should anyone attack them.

Imagine, there is cake. The whol family knows about it. You tell your brother "Hey, come downstairs, have some cake!" but he rather stays in his room, playing some games. The rest of the family has cake and puts the leftovers in the fridge. Two days later, you see that there is still cake in the fridge - no one else seems to want it, so you eat it. Three days after that your brother starts yelling at you because you ate the cake that he wanted to have NOW after it was sitting untouched in the fridge for days.
Have you been greedy, taking something no one else wanted?

Seriously, those ladies had time to level up 8 characters, make the money for the houses on a rather small server and rather saw people leave instead of buy the open plots... That is, what you're missing. At the time they were buying the ward, no one else wanted those houses.