Plz do something about the multiplot owners

[ManuelBravo]

To go out of your way to say its not greedy is funny. Its both. It always has been both. They were smart and greedy enough to buy out an incredibly limited resource to make profit off of.

To say that it's funny is just being ignorant to the truth of the matter. Having multiple plots and still not accepting the fact that SE saw it as fair game is funny. What is even more hilarious is the fact people misunderstand the fact that the majority of FC's are greedy and play their members like puppets. Some have simple rules and people stick with them without really getting the full benefit of their promises when they joined. What is even more Ironic is that FC's are the ones that have multiple plots and would not turn it over to their members lol.

Now if being smart and making a profit clashes with your morals, I'll use the same answer that most people answer when contrasting it to real like..

"THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE" or my personal favorite "WHY SHOULD REAL LIFE RULES APPLY TO THIS GAME"

To which the one solid response is ; WE ALL PAY OUR MEMBERSHIPS, WE ALL HAD THE SAME CHANCE. People will complain one way or another that is human nature. Why do you think in real life people have multiple homes? HINT; INVESTMENT same principle. Do you think in RL people would be satisfied if they said "Well you put in the effort, you put in the time, you dealt with our BS so you can only get what you paid for even though the market states housing is in high demand? Oh wait but this is a GAME not RL right?

Now many say it's against the terms of use and is considered greed yet NONE CAN STATE WERE IT STATES OWNING MULTIPLE PLOTS IS A ALLEVIATION. So if I will ask you this, is being resourceful to make more gill wrong? or is it that people just find excuses for their short comings and want to see it as unfair?

[TinyRedLeaf]

Not sure if your familiar with the business world, so allow me to enlighten you a bit.

And let me enlighten you to a simple basic truth: If capitalism were left totally unregulated, you'd routinely end up with "businessmen" like Pharmabro Martin Shkreli, who would exploit every loophole to corner the market on a limited resource, so as to profiteer from an artificial scarcity.

Bear in mind that Shrkeli did not technically break any law in doing what he did to corner the market on a vital drug for treating Aids patients. There was certainly no law to prevent him from jacking up the price of the drug his company now owned by 5,000 per cent.

But should he have done what he did, just because he could?

You, sir, clearly fail to understand the key difference between what is legal and what is ethical.

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Sure, there was no specific rule to prevent wealthy players from buying as many plots as they could afford. And, certainly, that was a huge mistake on the part of the FFXIV team. But just because cunning players could legally profiteer from a loophole doesn't mean they should have done it. It was unethical behaviour on their part, plain and simple.

And, as such, I don't see why the players who bought multiple plots, with the specific aim of profiteering from such actions, shouldn't be condemned. They rightly deserve scorn.

Now, all that aside, I do agree that it would be similarly unfair, whatever the real intentions of players who bought multiple plots, to seek to "punish" them. Because, yes, it is true. The rules made it possible for them to do so at the time, and they absolutely did nothing legally wrong.

Hence my explicitly stated suggestion for an optional amnesty offer for them to voluntarily give up their extra plots, for at least 100% compensation on the full value of the plot.

If the multi-plot owners refuse to take up the offer, fair enough. But at least the offer is on the table. The developers win, because if even only a fraction of multi-plot owners give up their extra plots, it frees up more space, and reduces the cost of buying more servers to host more wards.

Multi-plot owners win, because they now have an option to recoup cost on a failed investment (assuming the intention was to flip the property, which they can no longer do as easily as before).

And, most importantly, individuals and FCs who are currently homeless, have another chance again to own plots of their own at last. If this latest round of new housing is anything to go by, under the current rules, it's quite clear that, even in the most crowded servers, there were more than enough plots to satisfy demand for FC housing (provided that expectations for larger or medium plots were moderated).

So, we're now down to trying to meet private housing demand, after catering to FCs first. And if freeing up plots that are being hoarded by players would help alleviate this demand, then it jolly well should be considered.

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By the by, I don't have any further skin in this game. I have exactly one FC house and one private house, the maximum allowed under the current rules. My FC house, I bought back in Patch 3.3. I had ample opportunity and the requisite wealth to buy more housing, under the old rules, had I wanted to, but in the spirit of fairness, in the interest of giving others a fairer chance of having a first home of their own, I opted out of buying more.

I decided to buy a private plot in this latest round, only because it was clear to me beyond a doubt that, this time round, FC demand had already been adequately addressed. Moreover, the rules are much more fair now, in that every new buyer is absolutely limited to just one FC house and personal house per world.


I get that, for some people, ethical values don't matter as much as profit. Fine, that's your life, your priorities.

For your sake, I hope that you don't one day fall ill, and require some lifesaving drug, only to suddenly find its price jacked up beyond your means, just because free-market capitalism made it possible for some douchebag to profit from your misery.

[Anarnee]

Yes, lets compare a virtual good that is not needed to survive to real life things that are needed to survive, that truly will solve all the issues with SE's broken systems and push them to make real viable solutions to the problems instead of putting bandaids on the issues like they always do.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Yes, thanks for proving that humanity is basically flawed and selfish, and therefore rules are needed to prevent unethical behaviour.

Once again, the suggestion for an amnesty is optional: If multi-plot owners wish to continue hoarding, they can jolly well do so. But at least the option is on the table. It's a potential win-win for all parties involved, so why not make it available?

And that is not by any means meant to be the only idea. All other options should also be considered. So, pray explain why you should feel so threatened by an option like an amnesty buyback?

[ko_]

Welcome to real life and the business world. It's not a matter of being greedy, its a matter of making Gill. Some people are just smarter than others and think outside the box.

All I'm saying is it was greedy and I can see why some people are pissed. I did my "work" and got me a house for the first time on my main so I'm happy. That doesn't mean I'm not going to call something greedy when it is. And just like in real life companies who do the same thing are greedy as well. Lets take a look at one like SE or EA. loot boxes and mircotrans. Both can be extremely smart moves depending on who or what they are. But it doesn't make it any less greedy. That's all I'm saying. No harm.

[ManuelBravo]

You, sir, clearly fail to understand the key difference between what is legal and what is ethical.

Yet apparently SE sees it as not a breach of TERMS OF USE as their legal contract with use so how is it unethical? A source in a game to have more gill than others? No sir your just ignorant and fail to understand simple things and try to turn it into something negative.

Bear in mind that Shrkeli did not technically break any law in doing what he did to corner the market on a vital drug for treating Aids patients. There was certainly no law to prevent him from jacking up the price of the drug his company now owned by 5,000 per cent.

But should he have done what he did, just because he could?

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Was there a law or some type of Divine rule that said he could not?

I get that, for some people, ethical values don't matter as much as profit. Fine, that's your life, your priorities.

For your sake, I hope that you don't one day fall ill, and require some lifesaving drug, only to suddenly find its price jacked up beyond your means, just because free-market capitalism made it possible for some douchebag to profit from your misery.

If it's outof my means what can I do? Why worry over things I have no control over? I know there will be worse people out there. SO I have two choices;

Accept my fate and live in misery for the rest of my life complaining about something I have no control over... or accept the facts, try the best I can , and live my life to the fullest.

Your problem is that your trying to mix RL and gaming standards together.


Keep in mind Ethics and Business are two different things good sir in which you seem to misunderstand something.

First off take the following into consideration;

What is a game? What is the purpose of THIS game? IS this game bound by RL rules?


Ethically how we perceive the better good is based on what side your in. What you seem to misunderstand is that for one that we all had the same chance. How we all got ahead and made our choices was influenced by either RL experiences or in Game experiences. IF people can't tell the difference between productivity and expectations just because they pay a membership is just an excuse. IF you want to bring RL into play allow me to enlighten you. Society wants a trophy for just trying because their feelings and self esteem would be affected. Parents blame society as whole rather than taking responsibility for their children's short comings do to them ignoring and refuse to nurture their minds. Before their was only winners and losers. You did not get a prize for participating and forced people to actually try to improve. Now with this been said as a result people now even in games expect for things to work out their way do the the fact that no one prepared them properly to the term LIFE IS NOT FAIR. or HARD WORK PAYS OFF. These are the results of people who complain is unfair that others monopolized. Being its difficult to make profits by flipping FC's, I use my alternates and sold them fully furnished and maxed out to players looking for a home. IT WAS NOT FOR 100% value of plot. In fact people offered me to sell my plots to them. So it was of their free will for a level 8 FC maxed out which by the way was build from the ground up. IT IS NOT GREED if people are willing to buy. While I could break everything down for you I'll have you know I donate in RL, help those in need, assist people in RL in investments. It does not take a genius to understand how life works, its ignorance and fear that keeps people down in both RL and in games.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Oh for crying out loud. Are you human? Do you share in our common humanity?

If so, does it matter whether we're playing a game or conducting business? For you to even have to pose a question like that suggests a failure somewhere in your moral education. Ethics are a guiding light for all our actions in life, regardless of the setting. It most certainly is a guide to sportsmanship, and the spirit of fair play in all games we play.

[Crysten]

Jesus Christ, this last page is /popcorn worthy at how absurd it is.

[Metalwrath]

The point can be argued back and forth all day.The point is there are some players who are greedy and want to have more than others as a bragging right and nothing more while most of the community is not like that.You can try and argue with people that its wrong to take more than one house and screw the rest of the community over but you'll just get a response like 'Well nobody else wanted them' or people will ask you to provide some kind of document by SE to say its wrong.
I realised this over the last month in the game that although the forums are extremly toxic they are luckily not a true representation of the in game player base.
All you can hope is in the future SE will make changes to remove the property from those players and implement measures that prevent exploitation like creating fake fc's and be done with this situation once and for all.

[ManuelBravo]

All I'm saying is it was greedy and I can see why some people are pissed. I did my "work" and got me a house for the first time on my main so I'm happy. That doesn't mean I'm not going to call something greedy when it is. And just like in real life companies who do the same thing are greedy as well. Lets take a look at one like SE or EA. loot boxes and mircotrans. Both can be extremely smart moves depending on who or what they are. But it doesn't make it any less greedy. That's all I'm saying. No harm.

True YOU DID THE WORK and accomplished your goal grats. I've been playing this game for so long that makes sense. Based on peoples complains cash shops came into play, it's not a matter of greed its a matter of supply and demand. Again business, people wanted a short cut to success and need to pay a price. I'll save my money and spend it on actual merchandise like Odin statues and Shiva as an investment for collectors than pay for boost potions and superficial things that were also available in game.. Hey if people are willing to pay why blame the maker? People DON'T NEED to do it they choose to do it.... That's all I'm saying...no harm.