Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[winsock]

... what? That's nonsense. You Holmgang to allow your healer to DPS more. I was the tank and did it intentionally. First time it went off too early

Assuming you're planning to holmgang -> benediction with a healer you are coordinating with, how does an early holmgang cause a wipe? Couldn't your healer just benediction you early as well instead of letting a wipe occur?

second time went ahead as planned and caught Benediction, thus allowing Hyomin to ignore me entirely for six seconds.

Had you not used it at all, there wouldn't have been a second time.
Holmgang just isnt a good trash skill. Compared to just using well timed benediction, you might get 1 or 2 extra holy casts out of it if everything goes well.
Use it late? you wipe
Use it early? you wiped for some reason
Can't avoid some AoE's because if it, potentially lose the gains you made (or wipe)
A situation occurs that is suited for benediction, potentially lose the gains you made.

He died because I let him. Healing had nothing to do with it. His lack of aoe annoyed me, so I let the boss one-shot him.

So you are willing to take the risk of holmgang > benediction to attempt to make a very, very minor dps increase and end up taking a loss... then kill a dps (which lowers your party dps) because he didnt have enough dps....

Classy!

Did you at least attempt to ask him to AoE?

[HyoMinPark]

Assuming you're planning to holmgang -> benediction with a healer you are coordinating with, how does an early holmgang cause a wipe? Couldn't your healer just benediction you early as well instead of letting a wipe occur?

Bourne used it at the same time I healed them to full, thereby negating the effect of using Holmgang > Benediction. It was poor coordination on both our parts.

Had you not used it at all, there wouldn't have been a second time.

They mean the second time they used it in the dungeon, not the second time we did the second pull.

Holmgang just isnt a good trash skill. Compared to just using well timed benediction, you might get 1 or 2 extra holy casts out of it if everything goes well.
Use it late? you wipe
Use it early? you wiped for some reason
Can't avoid some AoE's because if it, potentially lose the gains you made (or wipe)
A situation occurs that is suited for benediction, potentially lose the gains you made.

Anecdotal, but I’ve seen it used successfully more times than I’ve seen it fail.

So you are willing to take the risk of holmgang > benediction to attempt to make a very, very minor dps increase and end up taking a loss... then kill a dps (which lowers your party dps) because he didnt have enough dps....

Classy!

The DPS in question died because they had Touch of Slaughter, and then stood in the Hurricane Kick afterwards. I even attempted to Bene them, but Bene’s delay made it go off too late. Moral of the story still is, don’t stand in things when you’re knocked down to 1% health. Even if the boss themselves is at 1%. Move out of the AOE. Other than that one time, they had no issues with not being healed. More than likely, they were mad because Bourne asked them to AOE because things were taking ridiculously long to die.

Did you at least attempt to ask him to AoE?

Bourne asked them no less than 3 times.

The NIN was so quick to harp on “shit mentors” and how I apparently can’t heal (even though they had no issues with being healed even with them standing in AOEs other than the last boss—I had to single-target heal the SMN more than the NIN because they were getting clipped), but they couldn’t be arsed to AOE trash packs, nor even use basic NIN skills—they used Aeolion Edge ONCE the entire dungeon. ONCE. I don’t think I need to reiterate on their lack of AOEing, either. At least the SMN was trying, even with their crappy gear.

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Back on topic, I’ve barely been doing any sorts of leveling, but this weekend I decided to get BLM to 70. I’m level 69 right now, queue into Alliance Roulette, and get Dun Scaith. Well, this will be fun because I’m trying to learn how to actually play BLM at the SB level. Anyways, I was happy to finally get something that wasn’t LotA. Dun Scaith never fails to disappoint in how fun it is, and I was glad to see people still died to the same things. I was not happy to lose the Wind-up Scathach with a 91 to a 92... after someone actually made us wait out the full wait timer because they wanted people to leave when it dropped.

Never going to get that minion...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So you are willing to take the risk of holmgang > benediction to attempt to make a very, very minor dps increase and end up taking a loss... then kill a dps (which lowers your party dps) because he didnt have enough dps....

Classy!

Did you at least attempt to ask him to AoE?

Yes, on three separate occasions. He spammed Death Blossom while running a few times but virtually never on the actual mobs. So I let him have aggro at 2% on the last boss. Nothing that impeded the run whatsoever~

It also had nothing to do with DPS. I had no issues with the SMN in 290 gear barely able to break 3k. I simply get annoyed with DPS who refuse to aoe on large pulls. Yes, Death Blossom spam may not be the most riveting gameplay but c'est la vie.

[Mesarthim]

If there was a class I could pick to omit being paired with in trials and normal raids it would be an astrologian, while playing an astrologian. I am so very tired of Co-Asts that overwrite my cards despite having cast them up to FIVE seconds before they do. It's like that one weeping I had back in heavensward where my aoe balance was overwritten by an aoe bole at the start of the first boss because why.

If you can't pay attention to your fellow AST then don't play it please. Icons aren't gone like they were at the start of stormblood.

[Awful]

Fun Fact #1 from 70 Roulette: When you outDPS a NIN in 330~340 gear on WHM, and the NIN tells you to “stop DPSing, learn how to heal” and then calls you a shit mentor.

Fun Fact #2: When the SMN in 290 artifact gear nearly outDPSes the NIN in 330~340 gear.

Fun Fact #3: When the healer is top DPS in your 70 Roulette.

Fun Fact #4: When the NIN was also a mentor...but doesn’t know what AOE skills are.

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I'm sorry I had to put this haha but sucks for you Hyomin sorry you had to endure that! I've had some snarky mentors lately..one told me to stay in Defiance and that I add nothing to the group by being in Deliverance was a Blm not using Flare in AoE packs and no AoE thunder and he was a mentor calling me out. I don't even think I saw a Foul go out either.

Tank shouldnt need to be holmganging in a level 70 dungeon to be fair.So yeah you werent healing properly by the sounds of it.
As a mentor you should know keeping tank alive comes before personal dps.

I know i'm late to this discussion but they did communicate as they were a pair que'd in so they know what they're doing very well, it sucks as the tank when you can only do so much in a dungeon or whatever only to see the DPS never get called out for anything. I dunno how many times i'm busting my butt in a dungeon or Sigma normal or 24 man only to see that i'm 4k+ DPS on my War and the next best is another DPS at 2.5k barely doing anything but yet tanks and healers get called out for the most minute things.

I also had a great run today of Fractal where we knocked it out in like 10 mins flat had a Nin and Rdm that AoE'd perfectly, an Ast that gave us all cards, and everyone was 4k+ DPS cept the healer who was doing amazing healing and DPSing, I didn't know who to comm was such a great run since we demolished everything.

[SilverObi]

Ah ok. I trust you, but just to be sure, how did you measure that you were outdpsing everyone?

Only answering because you posted pictures of parsers yourself earlier, I use ACT

[Zeldert-Castiel]

Another tales on how I got three player commendations as WHM

1. I got Keeper of the Lake, and got one DPS who was undergeared, another DPS that accidentally pull mobs and a patient tank. Long story short, the undergeared DPS died on last battle so I have to raise him.
2. I got Great Qubal Library (Hard). The tank was a PLD, a new player and an ordinary DPS. The PLD read every notes available and pulling mobs then run to gather more. Last boss (I don't read the mechanics, I'm surprised to get this), for no reason me and the ordinary DPS died of instant death (Or else, can't remembered) so the PLD used Clemency to cured himself. After finishing the dungeon, the PLD clapped me and said something about Pomeranian dog (I'm a Mi'qote, I don't understand?)

For a note, I played on Typhon, a Japanese sever and both dungeons I played with three Japanese speakers that don't speak English. I spam Cure 2, Medica and Medica 2. Between curing tanks and DPS, I used Aero and Aero 3.

[Vlhana]

First post on the forums, and it's a Duty Finder story. Welp, here goes!

I'm leveling DRG for the first time, and I loaded into Qarn with a paladin, a scholar, and a thaumaturge. It didn't register until after the run that Qarn is a level 35 dungeon, and the THM was level-synced...needless to say I wasn't prepared for the rest of the run.

We got to work on the trash, and I noticed it was taking a while. I didn't really start hearing alarm bells until the Doomy Dooms of Doom boss killed the SCH. The THM went down to Doom, followed by the tank and moi after a couple of minutes of unhealed boss punching. The paladin then explained the Doom mechanic, after which the THM blew LB1 the moment we engaged. This annoyed me, but I figured it was a one-time thing and said nothing.

We wiped again (partly because I, in my never-ending stupidity, failed to noticed that the platforms changed before I got rid of Doom), but finally cleared the boss. The second boss was uneventful, if far too long, but the THM again popped LB1 the moment it was available. This was really getting on my nerves, so I asked in chat if I could ask him a favor. No response. Apparently the SCH was annoyed too, because he straight up said not to use LB unless asked in chat once we built it up on trash. No response again.

Third boss, THM instantly pops LB. The SCH started calling him profanity in chat, while the tank and I desperately tried to make up for whatever was the cause of our DPS loss. The fight dragged on so long that we got LB1 again at around 35%, which naturally the THM used instantly. The SCH said he'd refuse to raise him at all at this point; dunno if he got heals either.

After we finally beat the darn thing, I tried to explain in chat why an AoE LB is better for multiple enemies that for just one, with no response again. He may not have been reading chat, or he may have just been ignoring us. Either way, while that was annoying, it was far less so than the Sunken Temple of Qarn taking 45 minutes to clear. So yeah, that was fun.

[WilhelmWhite]

and a thaumaturge.

....They didn't have their soul stone equipped?

[Vlhana]

....They didn't have their soul stone equipped?

Nope. Not sure why anyone would ignore that.