A lot of people dont like to play Tank -

[Lannybaby]

They are what make tanking and healing more stressful than the DPS jobs.

I can agree with this. With DD jobs, all anyone cares about is that the target goes down at a reasonable pace, and you don't step on bad stuff. As long as you're doing that, no one will bark at you for not using X skill. With tanks, god forbid you don't see a doton and lead the mobs away because you're dodging and don't want to face them at the party, you get lip. Lead them back to doton and someone gets hit, and you still get whining.

[Azerhan]

I can agree with this. With DD jobs, all anyone cares about is that the target goes down at a reasonable pace, and you don't step on bad stuff. As long as you're doing that, no one will bark at you for not using X skill. With tanks, god forbid you don't see a doton and lead the mobs away because you're dodging and don't want to face them at the party, you get lip. Lead them back to doton and someone gets hit, and you still get whining.

Wow. I've never heard that before...

I'm a main dps, and I always stressed because of my tank that can't tanking properly or the heals that won't heal me for X reason. I remember Shinryu, were you needed to be healed for the Earth dot.

But I know that Tank and Heal players will always denigrate Dps. It's like that since WoW.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

But I know that Tank and Heal players will always denigrate Dps.

I feel like that's really true... but the reverse is true as well. More often than not, either it's DPSs blaming tank, tank blaming heal, heal blaming whoever, or tank and heal blaming DPS... But it's more a "not my fault, it's his" than anything, I guess... Still, that toxicity is the root of many problems, I think.

[Faeon]

I feel like that's really true... but the reverse is true as well. More often than not, either it's DPSs blaming tank, tank blaming heal, heal blaming whoever, or tank and heal blaming DPS... But it's more a "not my fault, it's his" than anything, I guess... Still, that toxicity is the root of many problems, I think.

this is the internet, some players are always going to be that way, if you are easily butt hurt or can't take the pressure then tank is not for you. simple as that really, you need to just shrug it off and take in the good criticism and shrug off the bad.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

this is the internet, some players are always going to be that way, if you are easily butt hurt or can't take the pressure then tank is not for you. simple as that really, you need to just shrug it off and take in the good criticism and shrug off the bad.

Sure, that's what I've been doing for all these years as tank, don't worry for me, but for new players, even new in the MMO scene, it can be frustrating, or even, to a certain extent, devastating (yeah, kinda dramatic, but I didn't have the proper word, so yeah).

I mean, that's actually the reason why so few people play tank, as far as I can tell. They can't take that distance from what they're told, and take everything personally, and that's it. They stop playing tank, because they think they have to shake it off. Meanwhile, not everyone can, and that's not being weak, that's being... i don't know... unconfident, probably. If people stopped being toxic, then those people could try and be better as tanks, and then, we wouldn't be at a shortage of tanks. That's what I meant, right there, not "sure, we're victims of baddies" x)

I know those people crying by themselves won't help anyone, but I think just telling them to "shrug it off" won't help anyone either. They won't do it, and they'll stop playing. And maybe that's because they're always told "it will be horrible, but you'll shrug it off", that they focus on the one time it went wrong, and make it a big deal. In 4 years of tanking, I've been blamed (as in "attacked") less than a dozen of times for doing wrong in a pug, and I went from trash tier PLD to middle/upper tier WAR in the meanwhile. I've never had any reason to be traumatized of tanking, and I think that there are actually few occurences where one could be blamed so much that they'd never try doing it again. But if you repeat enough times that "us, thick skinned tanks, are not easily butt hurt, we can take the pressure, we're manly and brave, stay a DPS or healer, sweetheart", everyone will actually believe, not that you're brave, but that being a tank is horrible. And that's an issue as well.

[Lannybaby]

Wow. I've never heard that before...

I never thought I would, either. But, apparently, missed damage from doton is enough to whine about in a dungeon. Maybe a Savage where every inch of DPS matters. But a dungeon? Come on...

[Xtrasweettea]

I never thought I would, either. But, apparently, missed damage from doton is enough to whine about in a dungeon. Maybe a Savage where every inch of DPS matters. But a dungeon? Come on...

I can see this happen because I have encountered similar issues with other field type abilities not provided by me as a tank.

It isn't the damage from Doton, it is the fact that the one ninja who used Doton is frustrated because almost every tank they run into doesn't keep the mobs in Doton... and is frustrated at that fact. It just happens that poster was that particular tank the ninja took his frustrations out on.

On the flipside, the doton-using-ninja is the first ninja out of the past dozen that uses Doton at all, so yeah we will miss it if we rarely see ninjas remembering to use it.

[Fingerhut]

Not even that. Seeing the Doton doesn't mean you can keep the mobs inside. The more you pull the more do the mobs shove each other around, if you take a single step the whole mob group runs around.
There are effects you have to dodge and/or have to move slightly because the mobs are so big and you want to keep the agro from all of them.

In my experience it is mostly the people that never play tanks who complain the most.

Tanking is mostly about responsibility. You have to lead the group (by going in first and "shotcalling"/marking ) and do everything to please everyone else and therefore the group. You have to position the mob right, you have to use your defensive skills, you need to pay more attention to the fight than anyonse else (a dead healer is bad but can often be resed and a dead dd can just be resed) and then doing as much damage as possible with consideration of the former things.
That's what many people dislike about tanking, the "burden of responsibility" (sounds a bit dramatic but you get it ).

But also often tanking a boss is indeed easier than damaging/healing. Many mechanics don't even target you. Sometimes a tank buster you can avoid/reduce by using defense skills but most of the mechanics on bosses target the other people behinde the mob. You normaly don't have to touch stuff or have to place an AoE right and so on.

[Xtrasweettea]

Not even that. Seeing the Doton doesn't mean you can keep the mobs inside. The more you pull the more do the mobs shove each other around, if you take a single step the whole mob group runs around.
There are effects you have to dodge and/or have to move slightly because the mobs are so big and you want to keep the agro from all of them.

In my experience it is mostly the people that never play tanks who complain the most.

As true as your statement is, you cannot discount those who actually want to perform the job the best of their ability and get frustrated from pug tanks that could hinder the performance (aka: spinning mobs around constantly when you have positional as a DPS).

Then again, they are using PUG tanks and not bringing their own tank to insure that they can get the most out of their DPS. They do have some blame here.

Yes, I agree that those who never tank do seem to complain the most.

[Fingerhut]

As true as your statement is, you cannot discount those who actually want to perform the job the best of their ability and get frustrated from pug tanks that could hinder the performance (aka: spinning mobs around constantly when you have positional as a DPS).

That's right. I hate it when tanks spin the mob around and keep moving around and/or just being bad. I do understand that and feel a little bit sorry, but sometimes you can't avoid moving the mobs around. Since the monsters are sometimes extremly big and have collision so they try to all stand next to your much smaller "base"/circle shoving each other constantly around.
And there are many dds who put their field much too early.

There are bad dds and bad tanks. Just wanted to state that you aren't a bad tank just because the mobs may move out from the aoe field someone placed.^^