Discussing your 'unpopular' opinions

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Also, many PvPers feel hated in this community. Sometime things happen for a reason.

Really? Please tell me how I should be hated for simply liking something that I actually gave a chance and discovered was (WAS) actually rather enjoyable?
Tell me how I should be hated when I try to hold SE to a reasonable standard and they not only fail to meet it, they turn around and ask for feedback then ignore it?
Tell me how I should be hated for writing guides, teaching other players, offering advice, and even giving field commands that have directly influenced wins?
Tell me how I should be hated when I show no hate or bias toward PvE content and gladly go out of my way to help others, yet the moment I even mention PvP, I can practically hear the switch turn off in their head?

I'm rather known to be a passionate person, especially when it comes to PvP, and I won't hide that. Whatever personal hate or bias you have, that's on you, and I'm not even going to try to change that. I will however, gladly stand against you if you even think to use said hate or bias to propagate mistruths about it, especially when even a child can see just how skewed and unfair PvP and the people that enjoy it are treated in this game, by both SE and the community.

So I challenge your statement: Tell me what reason there is for PvPers to feel hated in this community. "Unpopular opinions" need not apply. You better bring some facts.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Also, many PvPers feel hated in this community. Sometime things happen for a reason.

Can you really blame them? Even raiders haven't felt the nerf bat towards their preferred content more than PvPers. At least the former now has Ultimate. PvP was completely gutted and a small subset of complaints led to chat getting banned yet feedback on job balance, game modes, rank decry and plenty more go by without mention. I get the crux of your post seems to revolve around item exclusivity but you're going about it in a horribly antagonistic way that will only garner detractors. And rightly so.

Just settle on, "I think everything should be available to everyone in some manner. No limited time exclusives" and be done with it.

[RiyahArp]

The gutted stuff is bull, PvP back in 3.0 was a big pain in the butt for most players, since the PvE kit was so unsuited to anything but stationary, huge HP bosses it wasn't funny. You ignored most of the PvE kit and worked together a weird, semi-gimped PvP kit out of the remains. That PvP was mostly about CC and burst if not one-shotting through timed use of Limit breaks, and over 3.0 they kept nerfing those actions because they legitimately were not fun.

People are complaining not because it was legitimately better, but because of nostalgia goggles. Might as well complain about how not needing to aply 2-3 Dots for every class was removed in HW, or how BLM is arguably worse since they aren't on 3.0's original strict enochian timer.

[MilanFrozen]

I don't know how much of this will actually be unpopular opinion, but I more so don't post the opinion because I don't think anyone agrees.


I don't like Healers and Tanks having dps encouraged in their tool set instead of making a better tool-set and encounter mechanics to encourage doing their associated job constantly.

There are few characters in the story that I like and even less I can stand.

The story makes me cringe a lot more than I enjoy it and I, more often than not, have to pretend the main character is my sibling's character just to get through them since we play twins.

The music is literally the best part of the game to me and I find myself disengaged whenever I don't like it.

I hate the baseline mechanical structure to the game mechanics (Teleporting to the ground when using Aetherial manipulation).

I hate how formulaic the game is. (2 'New' dungeons when updating and all encounters are in an arena)

[Raim]

Not sure if its unpopular but I think Ultimate encounters are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.

[Gemina]

As the title states, this thread is dedicated to discuss any feedback or opinions you have on the game that are contrary to the general discussion.

It feels like some threads on the forums have a slight tendency to become echo chambers rather than a developed discussion. I personally believe this to mostly be crowd appeasement; it doesn't feel nice to offer your own thoughts only to be criticized, ignored or insulted (e.g if you think X you aren't playing Y right). I think it'd be nice to have a thread dedicated to stating one's opinion without having to worry about whether it fits in with the opinion you're 'expected' to have.

Oh, that's definitely not me. Many of my opinions on here would be disliked if there was a dislike button. I've always been more of a lone wolf than a sheep. Some of these opinions are, and not limited to:

- I feel the meta is unhealthy for the game and the community.

- I never, EVER want to see the glamour system allow role and job specific gear to be glammed by a different role or job.

- I am perfectly ok that females have more fashion options than males.

- DRK is not broken. If they changed nothing I would still play it, and enjoy it. Besides, I always root for the underdog.

- SCH AF attire sucks! Most of us either want to look like school girls, or military strategists, and SE can't get either of them right. Closest they got was AF1, which was kind of a combination of the two.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The gutted stuff is bull, PvP back in 3.0 was a big pain in the butt for most players, since the PvE kit was so unsuited to anything but stationary, huge HP bosses it wasn't funny. You ignored most of the PvE kit and worked together a weird, semi-gimped PvP kit out of the remains. That PvP was mostly about CC and burst if not one-shotting through timed use of Limit breaks, and over 3.0 they kept nerfing those actions because they legitimately were not fun.

People are complaining not because it was legitimately better, but because of nostalgia goggles. Might as well complain about how not needing to aply 2-3 Dots for every class was removed in HW, or how BLM is arguably worse since they aren't on 3.0's original strict enochian timer.

It was a pain in the butt for most players who didn't make an effort to learn how to play and play well, much like any Extreme or Savage content would be for anyone who doesn't attempt to learn it. The old kits - and we've debated this many times now - natively had skills that proved to be highly effective in PvP where they were otherwise unused in PvE. I can't speak for most other jobs, but for MCH, the only things I didn't use were Spread/Grenado Shot, and even then there were odd occasions I could use them. You mention a semi-gimped PvP kit, yet each job then had PvP skills tailored to them, unlike what we have now: an optional sprint. Safeguard: a weak tank cooldown for all. Concentrate: a weaker Fetter Ward for all. Muse: a weak MP refresh for all, especially now that BRD and MCH can't restore MP anymore. . . See the trend there?

Once again 3.5 brought the uniform length reduction and standardization of all CC skills, which was actually a major improvement, especially with the diminshing returns of that time. Sure, a PLD could stun lock you, but if that was his one trick and he kept doing it, soon enough, it wouldn't work at all for the next minute. Now, length/duration of CC skills are so pathetically low, with an immediate immunity triggered after it (which I don't necessarily think is a bad thing, if the length of the actual effect weren't so short) is so laughably minor that it does little to actually benefit players. And that's assuming they're playing a job that even has them. Sorry DRG, MNK, and SAM.

This isn't nostalgia, and please stop trying to trivialize it as such. As it stands, unless you're a NIN, it's a bad time to be a melee. Healers are better tanks than Tanks are, and can cast faster, literally outheal any single hit or full combo, even before instant cast abilities come into play, and there's literally more imbalance now in this "fixed", "foundation" system that they don't even know HOW to build upon, let alone have yet to. But hey, leave it to SE to find something that works and somehow make it worse while trying to make people believe it's better.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Not sure if its unpopular but I think Ultimate encounters are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.

Not sure if its unpopular but I think [Savage raids] are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.
Not sure if its unpopular but I think [PvP modes] are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.
Not sure if its unpopular but I think [unisex glamours] are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.
Not sure if its unpopular but I think [nerfs to older content] are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.
Not sure if its unpopular but I think [housing issues/availability issues] are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.
Not sure if its unpopular but I think [Eternal Bonds] are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.
Not sure if its unpopular but I think [new tank/healer jobs in the next expansion] are a waste of time and resources for the staff that caters to a tiny almost non-existent subset of the community better served with other choices.

I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, but I wanted to show how unhealthy that statement can be, and how easily it can applied to anything else in the game.

[Kisama]

I'm really bad at this game and I wish they would reduce the amount of buttons in pve to 9 so maybe I could clear savage content.

[MilanFrozen]

I'm really bad at this game and I wish they would reduce the amount of buttons in pve to 9 so maybe I could clear savage content.

Isn't this what normal mode is for though?