The time has come to get rid of enrage timers

[WilhelmWhite]

... I'm pro getting rid of enrage timers. The primary reason enrage timers exist is to pressure dps into optimizing their damage and to enforce item level requirements on the group, but the healers mana along with the tanks own longevity already act as an enrage timer.

Nope. There are numerous abilities set in place to combat MP loss. Not to mention you're literally complaining about having to optimize your damage, which, as a DPS player, you should be doing at all times anyway. And with this logic, parties should wipe as soon as 1 healer dies. Kind of a lame excuse. Honesty I feel like this entire thread is just trying to absolve DPS players of the responsibility they have in raids. Removing enrage timers allows DPS roles to kick back and relax while tanks/healers struggle. Thank God the devs would never do something that foolish.

[NephthysVasudan]

It is utterly pointless to debate this.

Enrage timer is a mechanic...like any other mechanic...its one that's been in majority of Final Fantasy games since as long as I could remember.
People who are against it...are just flat lazy....and want a "I win" button.

SE isn't going to hear you on this....you will be ignored on this. Get used to it...or move on. If you can't handle it...you or your party are doing it wrong. It doesn't take much to figure it out.

[HyoMinPark]

... I'm pro getting rid of enrage timers. The primary reason enrage timers exist is to pressure dps into optimizing their damage and to enforce item level requirements on the group, but the healers mana along with the tanks own longevity already act as an enrage timer.

Item level requirements exist for reasons other than just DPS checks. They also exist for survivability. That's why a lot of world first raiders meld Vitality into the right side of crafted gear until they get enough HP to survive mechanics without it. It's also why you need VIT melds in ultimate--so you can survive the outgoing damage once you start getting to Bahamut and his myriad of mechanics. In V4S, if you had less than 35,000 health and not very many pieces of 330/340 gear, you were going to have issues just surviving the outgoing damage. Casters and healers had to meld VIT until they got enough 330/340 gear to survive without it. So item level isn't just there for DPS requirements.

That being said, what's wrong with asking DPS to perform their promises function at a relatively decent level?

[WilhelmWhite]

It is utterly pointless to debate this.

Enrage timer is a mechanic...like any other mechanic...its one that's been in majority of Final Fantasy games since as long as I could remember.
People who are against it...are just flat lazy....and want a "I win" button.

SE isn't going to hear you on this....you will be ignored on this. Get used to it...or move on. If you can't handle it...you or your party are doing it wrong. It doesn't take much to figure it out.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I rather like enrage timers. I think that when a group is starting out on a particular fight, obviously the goal is to master the mechanics, then optimize DPS while nailing mechanics. It makes you play better knowing u cant slack off mid encounter. My group and I lost several times in a row to Alte Roite enrage at 2% or less because we were not applying the pressure as much as possible/dps (myself included) dying. Would be cheesy if you could take an hr to down it.

[akaneakki]

Given that the final boss of Fractal HM has essentially an enrage cast when it reaches 10-15% hp, it seems SE disagrees with the OP.

Not much of an enrage, though; I have yet to have a group unable to kill that boss before the enrage cast goes off.

If someone fails that time, then I have nothing to say.

[ToasterMan]

I don't have anything against enrage timers but we need to be careful with them.

The ones in Gordias were a big reason for it's failure.

Maybe if we tried not having them in raids we could focus on having mechanics that are more difficult or involved? I remember hearing about how the Dev team needed to tone mechanics down due to the complicated DPS rotations combined with the strict enrage timers.

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No, you don't get to call everyone who doesn't agree with you lazy or bad.

[WilhelmWhite]

No, you don't get to call everyone who doesn't agree with you lazy or bad.

Nephthys said what most people are thinking in this thread, tbh. This thread obviously appeals to DPS mains who don't actually feel like being pushed to their highest potential. If enrage timers are removed, why would you even need DPS roles? Why not just use PF to gather up a bunch of tanks and healers to take on everything? The people who are saying "oh the devs can focus on more advanced mechs" are spouting bs. Even with more difficult mechanics, the lack of an enrage timer would mean the DPS players could still be lazy with their rotations and lazy with everything else. Putting literally every bit of the difficulty on tanks/healers to keep the party from dying. "Lazy" seems like a harsh word to use, but in this situation, it's honestly the most accurate.

[Nestama]

Enrage timer is a mechanic...like any other mechanic...its one that's been in majority of Final Fantasy games since as long as I could remember.

I know FFXI had enrages of sorts, but I'm not so sure about single-player Final Fantasy's having enrage mechanics.

[Xtrasweettea]

[...] Maybe if we tried not having them in raids we could focus on having mechanics that are more difficult or involved? [...]

Or keep them in Raids and add DPS checks in a handful of dungeons... get people used to DPS checks. Get them used to having to perform DPS checks, so that when they get to raiding, they are already used to their existence. Raise the skill floor.

Inb4 people saying "People will quit/unfair to casuals/this is not a job/etc.", so what? I am expected to be DPSing as much as possible (that means not being in tank stance and doing my DPS rotation) as a tank while mitigating damage, doing mechanics, and holding hate. I expect DPS to be doing decent damage... which means more than my DPS as a tank by a good margin (20% or more of my damage at least). What I am expecting shouldn't be too difficult to do for a job who's main function is in their role title.