I miss the old PvP.

[AchaNoYumi]

Crit ran their mouth and made an ass of themself, not unlike you've been doing as well, and people shut him down for it. This is me not feeling one bit sorry for that.

No where anywhere did Crit make an ass out of himself. All because he disagreed doesn't mean he did just that, and you saying that is making an ass out of yourself.

I read the PvP forums quite a bit, actually, or I wouldn't be here talking to you or anyone else. And no one is saying it's good. You can't just create an argument out of thin air to argue against someone else.
And yes, Lace, 4.x does demand more team work.

Again, I want you to hop out of Frontlines for a bit and at least try for high gold/plat.

[aeoncs]

I literally just lost braincells. Again, you're proving that you do not participate in true competitive PvP as it is known among all the real competitive players on each Data Center that the term "Mercy" means beating the team before the clock runs out. Hello?

Sorry for not recognizing that entirely made-up term that I've never heard of in all my years of competitive PvP - be it WoW, LoL, BDO or BnS. Are you trolling? Also, that you seem to think that any part of FFXIVs PvP is truly competitive is lol-worthy in and of itself.

As to the rest of your post, what you, and Crit also, don't seem to realize is that no one is saying that working as a team is unimportant or even less important now than it was in 3.X - Crit was the one who came in here, with literally zero 3.X experience, making assumptions about things he's entirely ignorant about. I've played with and against several Top 10 players during season 2-4 and saying that teamwork didn't matter is complete BS. If a team worked really well together in 3.X it was an absolute stomp when they faced off against a team full of solo-oriented players.
You had to be aware of your teams cooldowns, coordinate CC, burst and defensive play in a way that simply isn't possible now. So let me put it like this: In low and even mid ranked solo queue teamwork is definitely much more important now than it was back then. In higher rankings, and especially Light Party, it's the other way around. You had so much more options to coordinate as a team back then, it's not even funny.

And to everyone who is saying that there are people that are in the Top 100 who don't belong there. Hey, you know what, I agree. There are people that are there that don't belong there. However, with that being said, rarely will you ever see those people in the Top 50, heck even in the Top 60. Those people got carried by the very same people who understand how to work with their team so well that they made it to the top. It's funny, though, that I don't see a single one of you talking about "how x person didn't belong there" be in the Top 100.

I challenge you all to attempt Top 100.

Season 2. 4th highest winrate in the entire DC with barely any games played. And you just made me check, in Season 4 I reached Diamond with less than 150 games played and a winrate of 74%. Tbh, I never had the time and incentive trying for Top 10 but in S4 I stopped playing halfway through at rank 30~, since I didn't really care for the mount, and then ultimately dropped out of the Top 100 during Black Week. I didn't even want to mention that as it has no place in a proper discussion, it's like immediately playing the fflogs card in a PvE discussion, but you tried to call me out on it, so yeah.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Oh lord, here we go. . .

Didn't play back then but it did look and sound 50x more fun than PvP now, but it was unbalanced and promoted the wrong mindset lul

Didn't play back then, admits it looked and sounded more fun, then claims it was unbalanced and promoted the wrong mindset. . . That's a little contradictory, don't you think?

What perspective am I supposed to have?!?!?! Every class had 40 buttons, buffs indicted bursts usually, every class had much more utility than now, machinist could one shot, monk could mongo one shot, dragoon had a meme stun(?!?!?!?!?), monk could one ilm buffs off nyahahahahahah, the skill gap was clear as day and ???perspective???

Where do I begin with this one? The exaggerations? The counters to his own points?

Somehow I don't feel like you have much high level experience, I've heard otherwise.

THIS is asinine.

It's easy to know something, not as easy to simply do it in the heat of battle, but yes hello common sense, carry me to top 10. Oh wait 4.x PvP nvm

Oh but remember when he said:

Didn't play back then

Experience is the best teacher. Lack thereof only makes this statement laughable.

Can't be competitive in a hyper casual mode

:wave:

Just another opinion. But please do tell me how chatless, role-based medal cap, highest-score-reached = rank Feast is so pro? Some of us actually DID have to understand how to properly manage medals, how to deal with strong bursts, solo or coordinated. Some of us understood then, what people are only learning now. And beyond medals, none of that skill and knowledge was only applicable to one form of PvP over another. But sure, convince yourselves that the mess you play now makes you so pro.

Jesus now I know why you hate 4.x PvP, you don't know how to play it!!!!

Any melee + range/melee bursting together at the same time will kill something. End of discussion, this thread is unnecessary

[Taken from a different thread] Doesn't know me, and assumes far too much. I hit my post limit that day but I edited a previous post and told him I'd accept a challenge whenever. Haven't heard anything from him since.

That said, defend your friend all you like. Maybe take off the fanboy t-shirt first. And when you're done with that, I'll accept your challenge too. I don't care about hollow ranking systems, but if that's all you've got to try and take a stance on, then with no attempt at being nice or civil about this, you better show me a good time.

[Kisama]

[Trinket]

Yeah, this thread needs to die.

[AchaNoYumi]

Literally every player that I've asked that actively participated in 3.x, hit the top boards, and are now top leaders in 4.x all agree that post 4.x has forced them all to coordinate with the team more than ever before.

And those are the people I will take seriously. Now I understand why they never come here. Can't reason with brick walls that are stuck in the past.

Adios. o7

[Mofafafa]

Literally every player that I've asked that actively participated in 3.x, hit the top boards, and are now top leaders in 4.x all agree that post 4.x has forced them all to coordinate with the team more than ever before.

And those are the people I will take seriously. Now I understand why they never come here. Can't reason with brick walls that are stuck in the past.

Adios. o7

wait, I dont see any other people post stating that, they disagree coordinating is necessary to climb back in 3.0 PvP????

Allow me explain the usefulness of coordination in PvP again.

The comparison for Coordinating between 3.0 and 4.0 is that:

3.0 require coordination only when in *Mid Platinum ~ Diamond* level, or just during start of the season where everyone is good players where it is necessary.
4.0 require coordination now more likely in *High Silver ~ Diamond* Level, or just during the start of the season where everyone is good players where it is neccesary.
The removal of tools from 3.0 render players to not able to solo carry at low level again, in which at high level, everyone know the functionality of every tools in which they know how to counter it.
But you still able to solo carry easily in 4.0 from unranked to silver when the season is half way through, where all the good players already climbed

PS: I was playing in JP / Elemental Data Center so im just stating my opinion from my experience.

So your opinion for 4.0 required more coordination is not wrong, but 3.0 also too required coordination when facing against competitive high skilled players

Thought this is what i said, but Elemental number 1 Melee *Condol Calais* still brute through 4.0 Feast with his skills to solo carry even in diamond... With Ninja of course, the most broken melee at that moment
Source : https://twitter.com/Condol_Cal/statu...21540287586305

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

3.0 also too required coordination when facing against competitive high skilled players]

THIS.

All the other smartass BS and self-glorifying rank thumping was unnecessary.

[abbas]

It doesn't have the same competitive value as before.

Frontlines: The first 3 frontlines Secure/Slaughter/SealRock were extremely fun cuz kills mattered.I spammed them even after getting achiev's cuz of the kill count.
I enjoyed 15 killsteals as pld at the end of match and i would challenge myself to beat my previous killcount everygame. yeah i spammed RW for the monkey mount, im not goin back in there ever, simply because there is no fun or value in killing cuz anyone can get 20 kills by riding robots anyway.

Feast: Feels more like a 6mins minigame to me than actual ranked competitive PVP. it feels like verminion now, i have very low passion left for it, and its not like i wasn't passionate. i loved it and participated in every season of ranked feast, again cuz it was FUN. Having variation of skills to plan burst combo was FUN. IT WASN'T DULL AT ALL. i don't wanna say more cuz there is other threads with constructive comments and feedback fort improving the current feast mode.

[Wintersandman]

I don't really like singling people out, but this bothered me more than it should have. This is a terrible mindset to have and I encourage everyone to not have the "You didn't experience it, so you can't say anything about it" attitude because it does not promote discussion and seems like a way to shut someone's input out with minimal consequences. This also seems like it could grow over time into a "you didn't play x season, so you wouldn't know what high-level gameplay is because you only played y season" mentality, which is not very healthy. People can watch older gameplay and judge from what they see whether something was team-oriented or not.

I don't care if you single me out. But if you're going to make a statement like he did. You better have more data than a single clip to back up your point. Anyone can make a clip to appear how ever they want. My bullshit meter is full. I also clearly stated how the lack of team play was what got them killed.

Also no one is complaining about going to 1,1,1 from 1,2,3. What we are complaining about is the reduction in kit.