Dear PLDs

[Nedkel]

You are such an entitled little baby. Healers are adventurers too, and they're there to kick ass and clear dungeons. I can't count the number of times that my dumb ass has been saved over the years from an overpull with a swiftcast + holy combo, or as I've taken to calling it, "Shock and Awe." When you're running with a dpsing healer that knows what she's doing, the only words to describe it are "smooth as fuck." Shit gets buttoned up fast. Why would anyone be opposed to that? You may as well tell me not to fell cleave while tanking.

I had too many wipes with the healer forgetting to heal me, because they were so focused on spreading their dots on mobs instead and i have enough of that pushing healers to do dps bullcrap, that makes those who are bad to be worse healers than heal only with 3 buttons keyboard, thats not helping...
Wiping doesnt make things smooth at all.

[Izsha]

I had too many wipes with the healer forgetting to heal me, because they were so focused on spreading their dots on mobs instead and i have enough of that pushing healers to do dps bullcrap, that makes those who are bad to be worse healers than heal only with 3 buttons keyboard, thats not helping...
Wiping doesnt make things smooth at all.

I do find it interesting how there are constant complaints about 'bad healers' so often on these forums that cause wipes 'so many times', yet ive been playing tank since 2.0 in this game, have a mediocre geared tank alt character. Suffice it to say i've done more than my share of dungeons and content in general and still find it exceedingly rare to ever wipe in dungeons. You are the only common denominator in every one of your dungeon runs. If your dungeons are bad, maybe its not the healers fault. This goes for all the QQ threads and posts on this forum. If you regularly struggle with 'bad players' so often, maybe its not the people around you that are the problem. Anyone that I know who id consider a 'skilled player' never whines about dungeons. But the forum sure has a lot of 'bad rng' groups. Coincidence?

[Nedkel]

I do find it interesting how there are constant complaints about 'bad healers' so often on these forums that cause wipes 'so many times', yet ive been playing tank since 2.0 in this game, have a mediocre geared tank alt character. Suffice it to say i've done more than my share of dungeons and content in general and still find it exceedingly rare to ever wipe in dungeons. You are the only common denominator in every one of your dungeon runs. If your dungeons are bad, maybe its not the healers fault. This goes for all the QQ threads and posts on this forum. If you regularly struggle with 'bad players' so often, maybe its not the people around you that are the problem. Anyone that I know who id consider a 'skilled player' never whines about dungeons. But the forum sure has a lot of 'bad rng' groups. Coincidence?

Its not about the skill, but about the game style, you cant really predict at which moment your tank will fall down to 30-50% in a mere of a second or two, so mindset of "doing as high dps as possible" is the reason why wipes ever happen, since you could heal so hard in this game, it only depends on you as a healer if you let the tank to die or not, it has nothing to do with skill at all. Pushing heal button and maybe healing CD is easy.
So far i never got wiped with a healer that only healed me, allowed me to pull so much and clear faster than those who has a weird need of doing more dps than the actual dps themselves.
You could call a skill a mix of healing and dealing damage, i dont care i want a healer to heal, not to risk a wipe with doing crazy 50 potency aoe.

[Galgarion]

You could call a skill a mix of healing and dealing damage, i dont care i want a healer to heal, not to risk a wipe with doing crazy 50 potency aoe.

Nedkel: Healer dps is a thing. It's been a thing for years. Everyone from high-end raiders to filthy casuals, does it. It makes runs faster and it gives healers something to do other than play whack-a-mole with your health bar. You're not going to get into any kind of meaningful endgame content by insisting that they just nursemaid you. No static or FC will take you raiding with that attitude, and duty finder and party finder groups will punt you in a hot second if you mention your interesting theories about what healers should do. You just have to learn to deal, chum. This is the way it is.

[Mavrias]

Its not about the skill, but about the game style, you cant really predict at which moment your tank will fall down to 30-50% in a mere of a second or two, so mindset of "doing as high dps as possible" is the reason why wipes ever happen, since you could heal so hard in this game, it only depends on you as a healer if you let the tank to die or not, it has nothing to do with skill at all. Pushing heal button and maybe healing CD is easy.
So far i never got wiped with a healer that only healed me, allowed me to pull so much and clear faster than those who has a weird need of doing more dps than the actual dps themselves.

You can predict when your tanks health is going to drop super easily. The only time ypu can't is when you don't know the content or the tank is super bad. And if the tank is bad I'm not gonna sit there and baby sit them. I'll tell them how they need to shape up and if they refuse I'd sooner kick them.

[Driskus]

So far i never got wiped with a healer that only healed me, allowed me to pull so much and clear faster than those who has a weird need of doing more dps than the actual dps themselves.
You could call a skill a mix of healing and dealing damage, i dont care i want a healer to heal, not to risk a wipe with doing crazy 50 potency aoe.

If you're taking so much damage that the healer always has zero DPS uptime, you're likely slowing the run down, not speeding it up. Holy is still the absolute best mitigation in the game besides your own Hallowed Ground, and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

If you're using the DF, you're already taking a gamble on what you're going to get. You never know if you're gonna get a top-tier savage raider or someone who just started the game today and doesn't know anything about half their skills yet. If you always want zero-DPS healers, use the PF instead and mention it in your requirements.

Any healer worth anything is going to try and weave in DPS whenever possible, and especially in the case of WHM, the quest dialogue itself even encourages it early on. I personally have been DPSing the entire time I've been playing WHM. Just because you're dropping low sometimes because of healer DPS, doesn't mean that they don't know what they're doing. Mistakes happen, sure, but its not something you have to go full-on rant about when it does.

[winsock]

You are the only common denominator in every one of your dungeon runs. If your dungeons are bad, maybe its not the healers fault. This goes for all the QQ threads and posts on this forum. If you regularly struggle with 'bad players' so often, maybe its not the people around you that are the problem. Anyone that I know who id consider a 'skilled player' never whines about dungeons. But the forum sure has a lot of 'bad rng' groups. Coincidence?

I think your argument is weak.
While an unskilled player could be delusional in thinking they are skilled and that everyone else is the problem. An unskilled player could just as easily be delusional in thinking they are skilled and that most players are skilled because of how the other players perform comparatively. For example, a tank with terrible DPS may not think there are that many bad DPS players in the game because the bad DPS players are doing much more dps than the bad tank. An unskilled tank may pull so little almost all healers seem good or at least sufficient.

'Bad' is also subjective. The wall-to-wall dog section pull of Ala Mhigo presents a good example. One of the problems that can occur when attempting this pull is that the healer can be targeted by multiple AoEs, which forces them to move and stop hard-casting.
If this causes a wipe, who, if anyone, is bad?
The PLD could have covered the movement with clemency or possibly HG.
The WHM could have covered the movement with an insta-cast.
The RDM or BRD could have offered support
etc

[Awful]

You could call a skill a mix of healing and dealing damage, i dont care i want a healer to heal, not to risk a wipe with doing crazy 50 potency aoe.

My question to you is do you rotate your CDs? If you're doing that while pulling everything in a dungeon a healer will still have time to DPS and heal whether it be a Whm with Holy and putting Aero 3 up, or a Sch putting Shadowflare down and Baneing you are not gonna die in 5 seconds flat. Not to mention Holy and Shadowflare are amazing mitigation as well as dealing damage, not to mention Astro can give you a Bole which is a 20% CD (basically a Rampart) to extend or even make it stronger while dealing damage.

Get it out of your head that the people you are getting in your dungeons are the super crazy people who want 99999999 damage at all times no, we just want people to actually give a damn and use their toolkits and help out with the group.

[JockHarley]

When my exogitation falls off instead of being used because the pld is standing there clemency-ing himself, he is 100% in the wrong. Just use your dumb spinny attack that ya'll begged for so much and let me do my job. I don't need your help to dps and heal.

Excog still terminates after timer:
Grants target party member other than self the effect of Excogitation, restoring HP when member's HP falls below 50% or upon effect duration expiration.
Cure Potency: 800
Duration: 45s
Additional Effect: Increases Faerie Gauge by 10
Aetherflow Gauge Cost: 1

Perhaps though the full effect is what you are referring to?: This make me feel safer they did this incase the excog wasn't going to be enough in the end and they timed it to clem themselves with the excog going off at the sameish time to fully full tank heal themselves.

[Mavrias]

Excog still terminates after timer:
Grants target party member other than self the effect of Excogitation, restoring HP when member's HP falls below 50% or upon effect duration expiration.
Cure Potency: 800
Duration: 45s
Additional Effect: Increases Faerie Gauge by 10
Aetherflow Gauge Cost: 1

Perhaps though the full effect is what you are referring to?: This make me feel safer they did this incase the excog wasn't going to be enough in the end and they timed it to clem themselves with the excog going off at the sameish time to fully full tank heal themselves.

The fact that it heals at all upon the duration expiring was something added in in 4.2.