Dear PLDs

[Greyhawk]

Holy spam is the best spam....

And again, as I've said - " If they are doing anything above and beyond, fine, but stop sacrificing your primary role in the group." The original post was about PLD using their healing. There's a reason for it - because the primary role of the healer is being ignored by the healer. I don't use Clemency for anything other than the healer failing, repeatedly to do their primary role. No one ever said they can't do anything else.

[Awful]

And unfortunately, as I've said before - with potency and damage levels being increased while tanking is being nerfed makes no sense either. Using flash x3 on a mob, one after another and still not being able to pull agro from RDMs and WHMs spamming DPS abilities doesn't justify them doing that until they are blue in the face either. I don't understand why so many DPS/heal DPS try like absolute hell to pull mobs from tanks. It's a balance, not a competition.

How is tanking being nerfed? If anything tanking hasn't changed since the Vit change and holding aggro is insanely easy, i'm not saying you should drop tank stance and rush in spamming Total Eclipse and lose threat while dying no. Good tanks establish their threat and weave in AoE damage which is especially easy for Pld as they have so many tools and great mitigation for anything really.

As for your comment on Rdms and Whms spamming and overtaking threat, unless you literally didn't Flash or use Fight or Flight on CD (which you should it's a 60 sec free damage + threat CD), then yeah you're gonna have a bad time. Use your toolkit, rotate CDs, use AoE when necessary, Clemency can still be useful if the healer messed up, all these things make Pld a great tank nor is tanking nerfed, as I play a War main and I can pull everything, Inner Release with Vengeance and Decimate everything with my Blm/Rdm/Whm and it's all dead in 15 seconds, no healing required.

[Driskus]

I see this a lot with PLD tanks. The most annoying ones being the ones who repeatedly use it AFTER I've already started casting a cure on them, like they're trying to snipe me with their own self-heals. If you want to hit the floor THAT bad, just let me know and I'll stop healing you.

Oh, and while we're on this sort of topic, I have to mention the ones who think Divine Benison is going to cause the WHM to pull hate like its a Regen. I see tanks sitting around and they won't pull until DB wears off. This aggravates me so much, and you're 100% guaranteed to lose my comm if you do it.

[Mavrias]

And unfortunately, as I've said before - with potency and damage levels being increased while tanking is being nerfed makes no sense either. Using flash x3 on a mob, one after another and still not being able to pull agro from RDMs and WHMs spamming DPS abilities doesn't justify them doing that until they are blue in the face either. I don't understand why so many DPS/heal DPS try like absolute hell to pull mobs from tanks. It's a balance, not a competition.

Maybe I'm not understanding you properly; a PLD can't hold hate off a dps and a dpsing healer and it's the dps's and healer's fault?

[Aana]

Maybe I'm not understanding you properly; a PLD can't hold hate off a dps and a dpsing healer and it's the dps's and healer's fault?

Yeah I'm not following either. Tank enmity is the highest it has ever been in the history of the game. Tank stances have been buffed multiple times. OP/Flash/Unleash got their enmity doubled. Shirk exists. This expansion brought enmity shedding moves to every class via cross class. Diversion just got an epic level buff. Tank stances are less punishing to use than ever (Damage penalty reduced, unchained separated, IR usable in defiance, bloodspiller in the game, among other enhancements over 2.x and 3.x).

If you loose hate to anyone for any reason besides being 40 ilvls below your DPS, there is no excuse.

[Galgarion]

It will not pull the mobs from the tank who know what he is doing.

Healer should be there for heal, not for dealing damage.
Leave damage dealing to dps, they have better aoe's.

You are such an entitled little baby. Healers are adventurers too, and they're there to kick ass and clear dungeons. I can't count the number of times that my dumb ass has been saved over the years from an overpull with a swiftcast + holy combo, or as I've taken to calling it, "Shock and Awe." When you're running with a dpsing healer that knows what she's doing, the only words to describe it are "smooth as fuck." Shit gets buttoned up fast. Why would anyone be opposed to that? You may as well tell me not to fell cleave while tanking.

[Driskus]

And unfortunately, as I've said before - with potency and damage levels being increased while tanking is being nerfed makes no sense either. Using flash x3 on a mob, one after another and still not being able to pull agro from RDMs and WHMs spamming DPS abilities doesn't justify them doing that until they are blue in the face either. I don't understand why so many DPS/heal DPS try like absolute hell to pull mobs from tanks. It's a balance, not a competition.

This reads more like undergeared tank vs overgeared DPS/healer to me. If gear isn't the issue, and you're losing a single target, they may just be going ham on that one target or it might have just been out of range of Flash. If you're losing groups to a DPSing WHM who's not overhealing excessively, you're doing something wrong. 99% of the time I can open up with Aero III + PoM & Thin Air then Holy x7-> Swiftcast Holy -> Assize and not pull hate unless the tank is undergeared, inexperienced, or just happened to miss grabbing a mob when they were pulling.

[Deceptus]

And again, as I've said - " If they are doing anything above and beyond, fine, but stop sacrificing your primary role in the group." The original post was about PLD using their healing. There's a reason for it - because the primary role of the healer is being ignored by the healer. I don't use Clemency for anything other than the healer failing, repeatedly to do their primary role. No one ever said they can't do anything else.

Casting holy is the best form of mitigation there is other than hallowed. Stunned mobs do zero damage.

[Dualblade]

Holy spam is the best spam.

Unless the Chimera manages to get to Dragon Voice before we kill it, then please let me stun it. Unless you actually move to avoid the attack, in that case go all in. (Seriously the amount of WHMs I've run into on Fractal HM who do that and then eat the Voice I swear.)

[Lannybaby]

I've seen this happen often as well, when I'm a healer or dps and get a paladin as a tank during dungeons or 8-man content. I don't know much about paladins, but I do see a good number of them using clemency when it's not needed (above 50% hp). 10%? Completely understandable. But barely scratched? Come on... or is there a hidden clemency trait I'm not aware of? Like a damage reduction per clemency use?