DRKs just falling behind even more.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

Given how often they split the community, I'd say it's a sure thing then.

That they do, however this was not a suggestion he had thought of and was separate from the comments they made about adjusting the accessories. Essentially, he was talking about what attendees at the event wanted, and expressed how he felt a decision like that would negatively split the community.

[WhyAmIHere]

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I think boycotting the job won't end up solving the problem. The dev team would more than likely see it as "Wow, so many people want to play "Job Y" instead of "Job Z," so "Job Y" must be really strong right now!" without even trying to realize why it's strong, and more importantly (and what's being overlooked) is what makes it stronger.
Hubris is great.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I think boycotting the job won't end up solving the problem. The dev team would more than likely see it as "Wow, so many people want to play "Job Y" instead of "Job Z," so "Job Y" must be really strong right now!" without even trying to realize why it's strong, and more importantly (and what's being overlooked) is what makes it stronger.
Hubris is great.

More often than not, this is the exsact way they think in every scenario.
I gave up believing they can do anything right.

But I cant force myself to play DRK, when its so darn boring and unfun.
Im refusing to play because I dont want to play. But its easy for me to claim its "for the cause".

[Atreides]

The one thing boycotting will cause is that the other tanks are played more and SE will be like "Man, people really seem to enjoy these jobs, what can we do to make their experience even better?" while people hope it will draw attention to the less played job this is not the case. It would be a logical conclusion but this is SE we're talking about. :|
They have been receiving Feedback about DRK for about half a year and have done nothing but give DRK scraps while listening to the concerns about WAR.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

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Dude... what? Do you not pay attention to how they balance things at all? They change a job when the amount of people playing it diminishes, why else do you think DRK hasn't been touched? Yoshi P himself is on record saying it's fine because it was in the world first group of ultimate, that's literally the equivalent of "Well people are playing it, so its fine." Meanwhile they have, in the past, buffed BRD, AST and PLD because people weren't playing them in 3.X. They buffed WAR because people were upset about not critting their Fell Cleaves and Yoshida even said that he saw less WARs than he did DRKs.

Their whole mindset is "Well if it's being use by our players, then it must not be thaaaaat bad" and that's how they've always been.
Heck, back in 3.X Astro even became the single most busted healer simply because of how much they buffed it after having had neglected it for an entire patch cycle— So they most certainly do buff things if they aren't be played because its the easy way out.

[Atreides]

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I do pay attention. for a long time now.
Look at those numbers: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21...gregate=amount
They have been low throughout the whole deltascape and ultimate coil. DRK were the least played tanks for a while now and the numbers dwindle even more.

World first Ultimate was with a DRK this is true, it's also true that you can do that with any setup because it's always bring the player not the class.
Warriors were and have been highly populated since 4.1, being the next best tank with PLD while DRK falls behind in every aspect.
I mained DRK and know we can do fine, but I also always knew I would bring more to the table in my group if I went WAR instead.

[Galgarion]

I do pay attention. for a long time now.
Look at those numbers: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21...gregate=amount
They have been low throughout the whole deltascape and ultimate coil. DRK were the least played tanks for a while now and the numbers dwindle even more.

I don't mean to belittle your point, but this only seems to be true for Savage. As a whole, Dark Knights are still an active and popular job. https://ffxivcensus.com/

It's still really healthy. Whatever adjustments they bring to it will be done with that in mind. Which is annoying, because their only focus should be on balancing performance without concern of its popularity.

[Reynhart]

They buffed WAR because people were upset about not critting their Fell

Funny how this has nothing to do with "not playing it"...which couldn't be since WAR has been very popular for years.

I don't mean to belittle your point, but this only seems to be true for Savage. As a whole, Dark Knights are still an active and popular job. https://ffxivcensus.com/

Problem is, this census says nothing about how tanks are spread in the raiding community, which is the only part where DRK's "flaws" can become a problem.

[Galgarion]

Problem is, this census says nothing about how tanks are spread in the raiding community, which is the only part where DRK's "flaws" can become a problem.

I always assumed savage is the raiding community, where we already agree they're falling off pretty hard. All I'm saying is the devs don't use raiding alone as a means of measuring a job's health. Look at how long they let monks and paladins flounder, just because there were a ton of them, even though the raiding monks and pallys were metaphorically gouging out their eyes begging for a scrap from the table.

[Zojha]

I don't mean to belittle your point, but this only seems to be true for Savage. As a whole, Dark Knights are still an active and popular job. https://ffxivcensus.com/

Uhm... there might be an issue with that argument: We have no idea what exactly the census shows there.

It might be that the numbers it states under "active classes" are simply the classes the characters registered as "active" have unlocked with no regards to level and activity. I mean, the DoH are as popular as the DoW/DoM in those stats, but can you truthfully say you know as many endgame crafters as endgame DoW/DoM players?

I don't think it's a good source unless we know the details of how that data was gathered. And it would be a fairly devastating statement about the devs if they used only the unlock data for their adjustments.