DRKs just falling behind even more.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Can't self heal like a WAR or PLD can. LAWL 19-20k equilibrium.
Can't push out dps like a WAR OR PLD(Even with PLD nerf lawl).
Can't do group utility like a WAR and PLD can.
Don't have good mitigation like a WAR and PLD does.

BUT HEY, that 7 second QoL to TBN and that 40s off our delirium clearly fixed us.

I'm honestly think they don't know what to do with DRKs without making them OP, don't get me started on that fact we are a *DARK* knight, yet we don't use enough darkness in our skills. Dark passenger is one of them, many of us NEVER use it anymore due to the cost and nerf of damage that happened to it. Our abyssal drain hits for little and heals little, just looks at WAR steel cyclone damage/self healing. Why don't we get something like that!

Siiigh

To expect any major changes at this point, won't happen anytime soon. More like something in 5.0 kinda thing I guess *shrugs*

[Ekimmak]

Yeah, I tried tanking O5S as DRK, and the difference between holding putrid passenger aggro as WAR to DRK is quite painful.

Would be nice if I could say "but that's where WAR excels, and there's a reason to bring DRK" ... but the only advantage they have is if the offtank gets kidnapped before the light mine tankswap, and PLD could do that better.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Yeah, I tried tanking O5S as DRK, and the difference between holding putrid passenger aggro as WAR to DRK is quite painful.

Would be nice if I could say "but that's where WAR excels, and there's a reason to bring DRK" ... but the only advantage they have is if the offtank gets kidnapped before the light mine tankswap, and PLD could do that better.

I looked at the FFlogs thinking "Oh hey, there gots to be ONE drk who is leading the charge in someth- *Looks at the numbers* REALLY?! WHY ARE WE 300-400 dps FAR APART FROM A PALADIN! AND EVEN FURTHER FROM A WAR!

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

well i looked FFlogs and then closed it whit dispair.

V8 35 PLD 30 War 5 DRK clears.
V7 95 PLD 88 War 22 DRK clears.
V6 355 PLD 365 War 128 DRK clears
V5 494 PLD 501 War 171 DRK clears.

Evrything is OKD whit DRK xD

[Commander_Justitia]

well i looked FFlogs and then closed it whit dispair.

V8 35 PLD 30 War 5 DRK clears.
V7 95 PLD 88 War 22 DRK clears.
V6 355 PLD 365 War 128 DRK clears
V5 494 PLD 501 War 171 DRK clears.

Evrything is OKD whit DRK xD

Mch has even less total parses than DRK but is part of the meta comp...So what shall those numbers tell us?

Ast has only 500 compared to sch/whm around 800/900..so ast needs buff too?

Your point is weak. TBN works really good in o7s for example, because there is a lot high single target damage other than tankbuster. Maybe some skills need to work in a different way, but we don't need every tank class capable of doing exactly the same with same potency only so that it feels more balanced to you guys.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Mch has even less total parses than DRK but is part of the meta comp...So what shall those numbers tell us?

Ast has only 500 compared to sch/whm around 800/900..so ast needs buff too?

Your point is weak. TBN works really good in o7s for example, because there is a lot high single target damage other than tankbuster. Maybe some skills need to work in a different way, but we don't need every tank class capable of doing exactly the same with same potency only so that it feels more balanced to you guys.

The OP even suggested the idea of adding something to make them stand out from the other tanks if they cant be equal.

Which btw DRK doesnt have.
So an argument for either homogenization, or making tanks diverse, both arent what we have.

EDIT:

For questions to the Live Letters, go to this post asking about DRKs, and like it, to get more attention to DRKs.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4564656
(Its post#15)

repeating at the end of my posts for people to see.

[Chrono_Rising]

Mch has even less total parses than DRK but is part of the meta comp...So what shall those numbers tell us?

Ast has only 500 compared to sch/whm around 800/900..so ast needs buff too?

Your point is weak. TBN works really good in o7s for example, because there is a lot high single target damage other than tankbuster. Maybe some skills need to work in a different way, but we don't need every tank class capable of doing exactly the same with same potency only so that it feels more balanced to you guys.

I mean numbers without context are sorta meaningless, so lets add some context.

People's problem with MCH is its play style, not its lack of usefulness or a missing identity. And while in prog people may opt to bring a caster for extra raises over MCH and its extra damage utility.

White Mage is fun to play and WHM/SCH is still a favorite for many people in progression, which most groups are doing on the first few weeks of content.

Dark Knight numbers were average in progression last tier, and fell behind once people got out of proggression, and especially fell out of use once warrior buff cycles happened. If you have been watching every warrior buff has seen less dark knights and more warriors. Dark Knight is already starting low on the totem pole in the domain people thought it would be better in which is progression, I wonder where the trend will lead.

Does use alone mean anything? Probably not, but when you pair it with all the other points that have been made about dark knight, it does perhaps suggest a large part of the community dislikes something about the job.

[Kabooa]

Does use alone mean anything? Probably not, but when you pair it with all the other points that have been made about dark knight, it does perhaps suggest a large part of the community dislikes something about the job.

No, I think you're pretty on the money here. The only thing Dark has going for it is Odenta, undoubtedly the sexiest weeb weapon thus far. I need it for very serious non-glamour related purposes.

[Xan_Kriegor]

Mch has even less total parses than DRK but is part of the meta comp...So what shall those numbers tell us?

Ast has only 500 compared to sch/whm around 800/900..so ast needs buff too?

Your point is weak. TBN works really good in o7s for example, because there is a lot high single target damage other than tankbuster. Maybe some skills need to work in a different way, but we don't need every tank class capable of doing exactly the same with same potency only so that it feels more balanced to you guys.

There are jobs that are better for prog and tend to be more commonly used for that purpose and achieve a greater number of hard content clears. And there are still jobs that may not be so good to get the first clears in a certain content but after a while they are the best at optimizing it. Just like you mentioned examples of jobs that would not be good for prog but for speedkills.

The problem is that there are jobs that are not good in any of these niches. And this is exactly the case for Dark Knight (and for other jobs like BLM and SAM). You said the number of clears means nothing, and the meaningful thing is to be part of a meta comp. But DRK does not participate in these too. In my opinion, if the idea of SE is to keep this toolkit DRK has right now then the job should have a much larger rDPS to at least be viable in speedkill comps.

[MagiusNecros]

Pretty sure the DRK job quest showcasing our Job Crystal cut in half implies our Job is broken for the duration of 4.0. How symbolic.