Housing Fix,was a step back

[Tsunenori]

I'll maintain the stance I've had for a while now: revamp and expand the apartment system dramatically to accommodate individual housing. Unlimited instances, different sizes and styles. Do it correctly from the start instead of limping along with a hamstrung system like they've been inclined to do with housing. Ward-based housing should continue to be FC only (I say this knowing I'd have to give up my house), and all gameplay relevant systems tied to housing should be relocated elsewhere.

They've had a schizophrenic approach to the whole of housing from the day personal housing was pushed out the door quietly like the tragic little mess it is and the systems and abuses we've seen over the years are a direct result of that and will never improve until it's rethought and likely retooled.

That said I think this patch's implementation was a step in the right direction. There are a ton of plots available on even the most populated servers (including M plots) and FCs in waiting are finally able to get their foot in the door, assuming the door isn't "an M or L in Shirogane or bust." Any FCs that were upset at not getting a house in previous patches and are balking at the idea of buying a small now that they're plentiful weren't actually upset at not getting a house.

[Sashazor]

But you would have to place size minimums on houses. Because a five member FC buying a larger house is no different than an individual moving into one. If you’re saying space is the primary concern.

I think FC's with under 10-15 members should be barred from buying large houses during the initial week.

Again, larger FCs should be prioritized for those kinds of plots.

[Tsunenori]

I think FC's with under 10-15 members should be barred from buying large houses during the initial week.

Again, larger FCs should be prioritized for those kinds of plots.

This won't actually solve the problem you're hoping it's going to solve, because people will just flood their small FC with dummy members for the buying period and then dump them afterwards. You could try to regulate that as well but the overhead required to actually scan these FCs and logs for abuses isn't free and at some point becomes unwieldy. I'm not trying to argue against the spirit of your idea, don't get me wrong. I'm only saying that it's unenforceable.

[NosamKin]

Our FC finally got a medium and I was able to move my personal house to the same ward as the FC house. All this happened with a minimum of fuss. I didn't even make an extra effort to move - it was painless. (I was there for the last housing rush) In both the ward I left and the new ward there are plenty of empty spaces. Yes they are small lots - but plenty of availability. I didn't go looking for med/large so can't comment on how many there are. Given all the constraints I say "good job" on the housing issue.

[BucklesTrespen]

There are many plots still available on Behemoth, too. This was a step in the right direction. I am a single large owner in Shiro after upgrading from a small in the LBs this patch (plot 16). My neighbors are an FC who I beat to the large by about 6 minutes and they settled in the medium around the corner (closer to MB). They are incredibly friendly towards me and do not care I got the large for myself. They are grateful to have had anything. Surprised, even, that a medium was availible for so long. And there's still a plethora of smalls for personal houses or smaller FCs.


I spend about 4 hours a day when I play at my house crafting for my friends, FC and myself (and now many members of this FC). I use my large more as a solo than anyone on my block as an FC.

I know everybody's experience here is personal and people have a right to be upset if that experience is negative - but my own personal experience is not many people I've met actually care that they didn't get a large. They are happy to have anything. The people who I see here complaining (rightfully so in many cases) are those who didn't get what they wanted. But you have to admit A LOT more people benefited from this housing patch than last time.

Now, the next step could be to allow ONLY FCs that have been active for 6 months or longer get a house so you don't get the joke FCs taking up whole wards.

Or, just continue like this. Release housing patches bit by bit until things settle. I lived in a small for 8 months, perfectly happy but wanted to upgrade. That's a viable route.

If you didn't get a house this patch, settle in a small if available and wait for the next patch to relocate.

[Hasrat]

If you stop thinking of larger houses as a necessity, and just as a status symbol, maybe your outlook will change. Larges are meant to be low supply high demand. Of course everyone wants them.

[Jerichofr]

I think it was great. My wife & I got a small FC house (all we could afford) in Lavender Beds (a gorgeous small plot with a view No 29).

No aspirations for a med or large yet.

Now I just need to con someone on Behemoth into loaning me 3Mil so I can relocate my small personal from Goblet closer to the FC house. LOL

[Pastahnak]

At least on famfrit (and I'm assuming other low pop servers) there are still larges available so if a FC can't find the time in a whole day to purchase a large/medium do they really have a right to complain a personal relocated there. And for high pop servers, did you really expect to be guaranteed a large/medium, there is literally more of you in the same position.

From what I've been reading the only thing they messed up on was locking FCs that were made after the announcement of how housing would be done this patch to stop people from doing what happened on Ragnarok I believe with the large raiding FC getting tons of houses. In general though I think this was a major step forward.

[StouterTaru]

Sadly for most their dream plot was taken from them due to people relocating or relocating AND being able to upgrade their house size,at the same time.

So buy a sucky plot this time when they open up personal housing, and when they add more wards upgrade to that dream plot since you will be able to transfer during the no-new-personal-housing-sales period. It's the new veteran rewards system.

[HyoMinPark]

Cactuar had over 1,200 houses when I counted them last night. Most were smalls, but there were still a lot of mediums. Most were in the Goblet. Considering Cactuar is the third highest pop server now (somehow), it’s amazing there are still houses available. However, so many people seem to think that smalls and mediums are beneath them, but still complain about how badly they need/want/deserve a house.

I think FC's with under 10-15 members should be barred from buying large houses during the initial week.

Again, larger FCs should be prioritized for those kinds of plots.

Why though? What makes an FC with 20+ members “more important” than an FC with less than that? Instead of asking for restrictions on Larges, maybe we should be asking for more Larges to be added in general.