These warrior changes are great

[NyneSwordz]

Told y'all everything would be okay. = D

[Silver_Blade]

Of course it would WAR has been OP since 3.0 and got even more OP in 4.0.
Ever since 2.5 they have been the favorite of SE to an insane degree.
Paladin spent all of 3.x as a second string placeholder and DRK has been useless the entirety of 4.x.
WAR was fine and got a complete overhaul including bring new skills while DRK is literally a detractor from every group they are in as PLD and WAR bring more DPS, utility. defense and sustainability.
WAR was OP and goa a whole rework DRK was broken and got shit.
DRK got one cooldown shortened and WAR got a entire rework.
WAR ends up even more OP as their burst DPS and AoE is INSANE now while drk's dps is .50-.60% higher.
War is clearly played by half the dev team and whoever was playing DRK in 3.x rerolled warrior for 4.x.
My biggest complaint of this game is the absurd imbalance. It is obvious to EVERYONE that DRK SAM and BLM are outcasts who bring nothing to a group be SE just ignores it and tweaks classes that are fine..

[Xtrasweettea]

So much salty tears coming from this post, that the metal in my PC is rusted.

Sweet Jesus, dude/lady/person-of-gender we get it! DRK got shafted compared to the almost complete job overhaul of WAR. What DRK received this patch seems very empty on paper, like SE only put in the most minimal amount of effort into making the job more usable.

I don’t see anyone really within the Tank subforums disagreeing with the fact that DRK is still “behind” balance-wise.
You don’t need to go into every WAR thread and/or non-DRK thread and try to make the conversation about DRK. We fucking get it. Overall balance sucks and we fucking get that too.

Go into the other DRK threads (including the thread you started) and discuss DRK issues there. It is getting to the point to where this is getting annoying (at least to me).

[Silver_Blade]

I'll keep complaining until SE actually does something
I doubt you would be silent if it was warrior who was made a literal detriment to groups.
A half dozen tearfilled topics begging SE not to nerf them and when they do the nerfs are actually buffs to burst DPS.
I'm not asking for the world I only want DRK to not actually hurt groups by bringing them over a WAR or pld.

[BluexBird]

People complaining how WAR has always been OP seem to be forgetting that until a few months ago, Paladins were clearly better than both tanks. The fact that Warriors are doing a bit more damage does not mean they are overpowered.

[TouchandFeel]

People complaining how WAR has always been OP seem to be forgetting that until a few months ago, Paladins were clearly better than both tanks. The fact that Warriors are doing a bit more damage does not mean they are overpowered.

PLD was the best tank for a couple of months at most. WAR has been the best tank for the majority of the game's life since the 2.0 relaunch.
So while not "always", it's pretty damn well close to it.

I too like WAR and want it to be good and fun but we need to be honest with ourselves here and not let cognitive bias and our own selfish desires to have our preferred job be the best blind us.

[ULoki]

PLD was the best tank for a couple of months at most. WAR has been the best tank for the majority of the game's life since the 2.0 relaunch.
So while not "always", it's pretty damn well close to it.

2.0 WAR was shit! Only had foresight as defensive cooldown and thrill of battle. Inner Beast only heals you as well without the 20% defense. Vengeance only reflects...awful

[Silver_Blade]

Yeah, 2.0 By 2.4 They were doing fine as they had their overhaul.

[TouchandFeel]

2.0 WAR was shit! Only had foresight as defensive cooldown and thrill of battle. Inner Beast only heals you as well without the 20% defense. Vengeance only reflects...awful

Which was fixed in 2.1 ... as well as being around four years ago ... time to let it go.
That is one major patch cycle.
PLD was better than WAR for 4.0 to 4.1.
Again one major patch cycle.
That is two major patch cycles out of, what are we up to now ... 12, in which WAR has not been the best tank by some margin.

Yes WAR sucked in 2.0 and yes PLD was the best tank from 4.0 to 4.1, but we can't keep pointing to tiny slivers of time as if they are equal to the entirety of the rest of the time the game has been out since relaunch, nor should it be used as justification for why WAR, or any job, deserves to be the best. No job deserves to be the best.

If that is the way that people look at things then all that happens is that the different groups are constantly battling to have their job be the best and a constant flip-flopping of balance where the players are either elated with schadenfreude or pissed off for being one-up'ed. That sounds exhausting to me and just seems like nobody really ends up actually happy.

How about instead of trying to push others down to make ourselves feel like we are standing tall, we be pragmatic and support bringing jobs that are behind up to par while being accepting that bringing parity to the jobs as a whole may require a job, perhaps even your preferred one, to be reigned in a bit.

[Xtrasweettea]

I'll keep complaining until SE actually does something
I doubt you would be silent if it was warrior who was made a literal detriment to groups.
A half dozen tearfilled topics begging SE not to nerf them and when they do the nerfs are actually buffs to burst DPS.
I'm not asking for the world I only want DRK to not actually hurt groups by bringing them over a WAR or pld.

Your complaints are off topic in a thread not dedicated to DRK. You are on purposely trying to force the thread to change for your cause. It’s like if we ain’t discussing DRK 24/7 on these forums, no other thread should exist.

This isn’t the “tank” subforums, it’s the “DRK Subforums (sometimes featuring PLD, no WARS allowed).” Sorry we aren’t discussing DRK all the time. Some of us want to actually try out our new toys and discuss about them before the cat-owning aunt comes over to shit on our Christmas because some kids in Nigeria are starving.