Red Mage could use some help.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

actually it was a response from a casual view on raiders egoism ^^

It's not an ego, I don't give a fig about ego, if it was about ego I'd be shouting for RDM to be top caster all the time with no challengers. The fact of the matter is, you can justifiably deny certain classes (currently casters) from raids which you can't do in any other part of the game because the other parts of the game are not difficult. I have no attitude of 'raiders are better than the rest of the community' I don't have anything against people who just log in, do their daily dungeons, hunts or whatever and are satisfied with that. My attitude is that if you're going to create challenging content, each class should have a justifiable reason to be brought to clear that content at any phase. Any person should be able to play their favorite or main class in said challenging content. Which, technically, you can, but if you don't have a dedicated static of close friends, the only thing to advertise you to pugs is your class, and if there's no advantage to taking your class why should they bother?

[Neela]

But isn't that whats it all about? This is an mmo right? so actually you should have some company here right? and talking about end-game in an mmo you actually are exploring it with friends yeah? at least it should be that way - and there you go play what u like. is it fair that smn got a lockout with 4.0? no. is it fair that Blm got lockouts with 4.1? no. but judging and treating a cls based on the pf-behavior of random-casual-raiders u don't know in person - is just your personal problem imo. Until now there wasn't any cls which deserved a lockout because the devs fucked it up in a really, really bad way... all the lockouts until now are just from speedrunners or fake-speedrunners who want to be carried by "meta", but not cause its not doable with that certain cls.

and thats what I call raid-egoism. easy as that.

[Maero]

Ease of play should not be a factor in how much a job can output. (ARR Bard was super easy) Yes Red Mage is super easy but does not bring support like that of Bard or Smn and yet is rather behind in damage by a large enough amount.
I agree with Neela about an earlier comment in that play what you want not base it on just because fflogs says whatever.
Smn nerfs (a bit much) , blm "buff" (a joke) and Red no changes is... alrighty then SE

Edit: btw 2.0x smn was not entirely garbage, further along the cycle it actually became better then blm. (see a pattern here)

[Dualgunner]

RDM needs verraise nerfed, and embolden buffed to affect all damage types imo. It affecting all damage would itself be a buff to fleche and contra sixte, and perhaps minor 5-10 potency buffs to some of its spells or 10 potency buffs to each attack in its melee + finisher.

[EllieShadeflare]

in the end its all about you and what you do with the cls you choose by yourself... meta and pf-lockouts are a construct which we built ourselves just to be frustrated in the end - its us not the devs to blame for this situation.

Honestly, it's meta worship by players who don't even touch Savage or Ultimate that causes so much toxicity, and then those players start swarming the forums complaining that those jobs are too weak and yelling at people when reality disagrees with them.

So what if a job isn't in the meta? All it means is that the job isn't the most optimal at defeating an encounter in the fastest time, that's all. However, this doesn't mean it's baaaaad, just not the best. This doesn't mean "stop asking for balance changes or buffs" this simply means "STOP BARRING PEOPLE FROM YOUR PARTIES BASED ON CLASS, YOU JERKS."

Players need to leave the meta for the raiders and just let people play what they want. This is the same toxicity that hurts MOBAs, and it's a shame it also hurts FFXIV.

[Zytoryu]

in the end its all about you and what you do with the cls you choose by yourself... meta and pf-lockouts are a construct which we built ourselves just to be frustrated in the end - its us not the devs to blame for this situation.

And what I and many people in this thread want is to be able to play RedMage and have it be balanced just like every other goddamn job in this game. Yes PF is full of idiots who think meta is the only way to play, but its much easier for the Dev's to simply press some keys and change a few values instead of them or us trying to change the minds of every foolish person to host a PF restricted to only meta outside of places where meta actually matters. We're here in this Thread hoping that the Dev's will do their jobs as a developers and change something that is straight up making this game feel more like a chore than an actual game.

And don't you tell me to just unsub. I love this game to death, I'm not just gonna call it quits without at least trying to make changes happen.

[Kabooa]

I agree with Neela about an earlier comment in that play what you want not base it on just because fflogs says whatever.

We don't.

We base it on lacking an objective reason to bring said job, when another job does the same thing within a comparable degree and brings better party tools.

[Neela]

its really sad that people took numbers over their own interests - its just natural that you get salty... so fast ^^'

[Lina_Slayer]

And what I and many people in this thread want is to be able to play RedMage and have it be balanced just like every other goddamn job in this game. Yes PF is full of idiots who think meta is the only way to play, but its much easier for the Dev's to simply press some keys and change a few values instead of them or us trying to change the minds of every foolish person to host a PF restricted to only meta outside of places where meta actually matters. We're here in this Thread hoping that the Dev's will do their jobs as a developers and change something that is straight up making this game feel more like a chore than an actual game.

And don't you tell me to just unsub. I love this game to death, I'm not just gonna call it quits without at least trying to make changes happen.

Perfect post! People here act like everyone who complains about balance is some kind of Meta Nazi who goes for Omega Normal runs using BRD/NIN/MCH/DRG/PLD/WAR/SCH/AST and belittle everyone who don't, when in fact we just want our classes to be as strong as others and this forum and Reddit are the only places we have to try and reach the developers.

Right now BLM and SAM bring literally nothing to a group, while RDM is a progression only job, and it's not like it's a recent issue either, if they get finally fixed at 4.3 (and let's be honest they probably won't) it'll still be more than 7 months with those classes being super weak by comparison while there are 3 classes who are basically mandatory and for some reason never ever get nerfed.

[Neela]

the difference between rdm and blm/sam complains is... blm/sam were official intended to be the strongest dps jobs what they clearly aren't atm, so I don't blame those player for their critic – rdm on the other hand was always be intended to be a support dps, who's clearly weaker than his caster company lore & concept wise - even way before the cls was released. so im really curious why rdm player are so super surprised to find themselves on the bottom caster spot... if there wouldn't be a noticeable cap between rdm and the other caster... what would the counterpart advantages of smn/blm in solo play like potd, progression, fates and everything else look like, if not related to raids/farm?