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    Roland Starwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braven View Post
    I said “2 or 3 free spells” for Thin Air because I cut the benefit in half to fit the 60 second comparison window. I know you can do double that many spells, but the cooldown is a long 120 seconds for Thin Air. Regen needs to be refreshed several times in that amount of time and costs 840 mp a pop to equal embrace, along with a couple medica 2s to equal Whispering Dawn. Thin air is really just making up for the fact that whm spells are comparatively overpriced, don’t have free fairy regens, and have a 60 second mp refresh ability (assize) instead of a 45 second ability (aetherpact). This is why benedict is cheaper than Cure and Gravity cheaper than Holy, helios is cheaper than medica, and miasma 2 significantly cheaper than holy. Thin air is just making up for the fact White mage needs to spend more mana to do the same thing as the other healers.

    *It is not the defining feature of the job. They really all have about the same mp economy (well, at least if AST actually used Ewer instead of Royal Roading or using minor arcana every time it comes up).
    You do know that spells for MP scales with your level right? Holy, Gravity, and Miasma2 all cost the same MP at the same level. And as I said it before, Assize can easily be a 45 second cooldown with the lillies and occasionally with the Secret of the Lily2 trait.

    White Mage's MP is pretty much a non-issue if played well. Thin Air can be used in every other pull. Assize can be used often and Lucid Dreaming can be used to recover even more MP if needed.
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    Valora Stoutheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roll View Post
    You do know that spells for MP scales with your level right? Holy, Gravity, and Miasma2 all cost the same MP at the same level. And as I said it before, Assize can easily be a 45 second cooldown with the lillies and occasionally with the Secret of the Lily2 trait.

    White Mage's MP is pretty much a non-issue if played well. Thin Air can be used in every other pull. Assize can be used often and Lucid Dreaming can be used to recover even more MP if needed.
    That is not true. Spells are not the same cost between jobs. Check the lodestone job pages. They list the mp costs at level 70. Holy is higher than gravity and much higher than miasma 2 at the same level.

    Even with a stack of 3 lillies the cooldown is longer than 45 seconds, which is actually really hard to do because many of your abilities eat them all when used, like asylum, divine benison, and tetragannon.

    At max lillies assize is 60 - 20%, which is: 48 seconds.
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    Roland Starwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braven View Post
    That is not true. Spells are not the same cost between jobs. Check the lodestone job pages. They list the mp costs at level 70. Holy is higher than gravity and much higher than miasma 2 at the same level.

    Even with a stack of 3 lillies the cooldown is longer than 45 seconds, which is actually really hard to do because many of your abilities eat them all when used, like asylum, divine benison, and tetragannon.

    At max lillies assize is 60 - 20%, which is: 48 seconds.
    My point still stands that MP is a non-issue for WHM and are you seriously complaining about 3 seconds? Obviously you would use the lilies for Assize then your other cooldowns unless something goes wrong and even then having Assize at 60 seconds still doesn't hinder WHM's MP management.

    It honestly sounds like you just play WHM inefficiently.
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