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    Cure 3 Blues

    I love White Mage, but i feel like much of their burst healing potential is lost because party members spread out too much.

    Cure 3, with plantary indugence bonus, can heal everyone for 700 potency and is spamable. 1400 potency possible within about 3 seconds if used with swift cast. It easily outclasses all other healers and can also add alysum for even more (small) AOE healing.

    However, if everyone is spread out, you end up with less with only medica 1 at your disposal for a burst heal. I find I rarely use Cure 3 because of this.

    Unless the enemy has a really powerful melee range AOE that is used frequently, why doesn’t everyone just crowd around the enemies for easier healing (including ranged) After dodging a mechanic, head right back (and dodge to the same place).

    Instead, as soon as room wide AOE damage starts pulsing, people tend to run around like headless chickens.

    As a result, I perform better at AOE healing with scholar since all of thier spells have at least a 15 yalm radius.
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    Well, on the plus side, medica II is the only spell with a 20y radius, and it helps a lot here.

    I tend to consider cure 3 to be a raid skill mostly. pug content... yeah, people don't stack usually.
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    I find healing is most reliable with SCH because all of their AOE abilities are 15 yalm. 20 yalm is nice, but 15 is usually enough. Healing tends to be a bit better than white mage when the party is spread out since indom. and succor is stronger than medica 1 and rouse+whispering dawn is much stronger than medica 2 (worse up time, but you only need it up during AOE pulse phases, so that doesn’t matter much). Also, the fey union and exco can provide the better single target healing and responds quicker and faster than whm cure 2 and regen.

    White mage is best when everyone is aware that they need to clump up when taking AOE damage. AOE healing throughput could be considered whm raid utility and I think really is what defines the class. It is just sad it doesn’t work well with duty finder because of the cooperation needed and healing checks don’t generally need that much throughput, making it overkill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braven View Post
    I find healing is most reliable with SCH because all of their AOE abilities are 15 yalm.
    I think it comes down to a matter of preference. The main key is that medica can be spammed, and assize helps fill in a bit. SCH requires CD and resource management (besides MP). For example... There's no doubt that indom is very powerful, but it's once every 30 seconds and requires an aetherflow stack. Some will like one, others will like the other.
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    Yeah, I do like the large AOE size of assize. Often it is cast just for damage and mp restore on cooldown when healing isn’t needed though making the healing part wasted. And it is a 60 sec cooldown vs 30 for indom and does 200 potency less healing.

    For aetherflow, you can basically ignore the resource since cooldowns are the limiting factor anyway for optimal use. You get 4 (with quicken aetherflow) over 60 seconds. Just think of the stack as reserved for:

    13% refresh (from aetherpacks).
    2 stacks for indom (1,000 pot. AOE)
    1 stack for exco (800 pot.)
    1 for lustrate/exco, alternated per cycle based on cooldown status (700 avg pot)
    Also gets fey covenent that kind off offsets divine benisons for free mitigation.

    That provides roughly equilivent healing and mp restore to:

    1 assize (300 AOE, 10% mp restore)
    2/3 of an asylum (~500 regen pot. if people clump and stay still)
    one tetra (700 pot)
    1/3 of a benediction
    2 divine benison (not sure the value conversion of 15% single target shield)
    1/2 thin air (2 or 3 free spells. Basically offset by free fairy skills)

    WHM gets a bit better single target healing and mitigation, while scholar gets better AOE healing and mitigation, but the overal difference is not huge. Mp management is about the same. Some whm spells are more expensive and some sch are more expensive. Thin air is countered by mp free fairy skills that whm needs to spend time and mp to cast (regen and medica 2)

    Succor provides 375 vs medica 300, but can’t quite be spammed because of the shield. However emergency tactics allows about 3 to be spammed in a row and indom for a big burst every 30 seconds. Also, since whispering dawn and embrace takes no actions, you can get the healing out quicker than whm can. While in theory whm can spam for longer due to things like thin air providing burst mp, there is just never a need to actually do so that I have seen. Outside of thin air, SCH has better mp generation since their mp refresh happens every 45 seconds while whm is roughly every 60 seconds and thin air is a 120 sec cooldown. Also, regens and whispering dawn take no mp, while medica 2 and regen casts add up to quite a lot. Some whm spells cost more mp, while for others SCH costs more, so that is basically a wash.

    Basically, for whm to considered a better healer, they need to be anle to make effective use of Cure 3. Otherwise, they fall behind, or need to waste a lot of global cooldowns (like casting regen on everybody individually) to be considered superior at AOE healing.
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    What your describing is exactly why I mention raids. That's about the only place you'll sometimes see raid damage sustained to the point where SCH runs dry, allowing AST/WHM to shine a bit more there.

    In easier content... well, there's usually not a lot to heal in general, and yeah, SCH's oGCDs can definitely shine there, allowing even more DPS uptime. But the other healers do have their strong points too.

    Circling back to Cure III in particular, yes, it's definitely a highly situational skill, but the toolkit overall is pretty OK.
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    Yeah, I do think the healers are all pretty balanced. Much better than the other roles, in my opinion. I think of Cure 3 as whm “raid utility” (equilivent to chain stratgem and expanded balance in potential usefulness). I am not sure I believe that WHM actually has better mp management. In theory, scholar has better as long as you are not constantly spamming Aldo and Succor (no real reason to). The mp was reduced in patches so it is okay to use them about as often as Cure 2 / medica 1 and be okay. Thin Air, while nice, has a long cooldown and basically just makes up for the fact whm has hogh cost spells like Holy, Medica 2, and Cure 3. SCH has the cheapest AOE spamable and their own “free spells” because of the fairy and doesn’t require any special planning to utilize. The standard mp refresh also happens every 45 seconds instead of every 60 seconds and is the same potency as assize. As a Scholar, I have never completely ran out of mana. The only times even getting low was when multiple raises are needed in a short period of time.

    Just makes me a little sad that most people seem to ignore that spell because of the risks of not hitting some party members greatly hinders the usability of the spell. Thin Air is perfect for supporting Cure 3 since it normally costs a ton of mana.

    The problem with low radius AOE healing is that it is all or nothing. If you miss a party member or two, than you will need to raise them which hugely hurts your success rate and party DPS numbers, not to mention mp. If you can get by with the lower potency “safe” AOE heals (medica, helio, succor) that all three healers have, it is better to use those. Most of the time, that works because generally there is enough time to heal between AOE bursts. Thry can’t really put in a huge extended burst healing “heal” check because the other 2 healers would have a hard time passing it and all content needs to be completable by all jobs. However, raid DPS is always at least helpful.

    In summary, Cure 3 requires coordination by everyone while other heals/utilty abilities don’t.
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    In most cases Largesse+Medica2 is better than Cure3 since it has a larger range, less MP cost, and heals more. If more healing is needed quickly then Plenary Indulgence or even an Assize can be used as well.

    The only time I really use Cure3 is when the melee DPS and the tank take a huge hit. I then position myself between them and cast it on myself to heal everyone.

    Also one of the biggest reasons why Scholar’s heal potencies seems higher is because abilities such as Lustrate, Indomitability, Excogitation, and Fey Union are NOT spells and do not benefit from the following buffs:


    Dissipation
    Fey Illumination from your fairy
    Largesse as a healer role action
    Convalescence as a tank role action
    Defiance Warrior’s tank stance
    Mantra from Monk
    Nature’s Minne from Bard
    Devotion from Summoner


    Also I want to correct a few misconceptions for you:


    *1.“I perform better at AOE healing with scholar since all of thier spells have at least a 15 yalm radius”

    So does Medica1 and Assize. Also Medica2 has a 20 yalm radius which one of the largest aoe heal outside of the limit break which is 30 yalms for all healers. (Plenary Indulgence is 30 yalms as well)


    *2."White mage is best when everyone is aware that they need to clump up when taking AOE damage"

    Most of the time the healing from Cure3 isn't needed. If it was then people would need White Mages for all content. Largesse+Medica2 is usually enough for big hits.


    *3.“Assize. Often it is cast just for damage and mp restore on cooldown when healing isn’t needed though making the healing part wasted. And it is a 60 sec cooldown vs 30 for indom and does 200 potency less healing.

    Assize’s cooldown can be reduced to 45 seconds pretty easily with the Lillies. If you know a big hit is coming up you can use Assize for it instead of using it as soon as it’s off cooldown. Also for what it's worth, the questionable Secret of the Lily 2 can lower the cooldown even further.


    *4."13% refresh (from aetherpacks)"

    It’s 10% MP back from Aetherflow if that's what you meant from "Aetherpacks"



    *5."Also gets fey covenent that kind off offsets divine benisons for free mitigation."

    Fey Covenant reduces only magic damage. Divine Benison reduces any kind of damage. Plus they're both 2 very different things.


    *6."thin air (2 or 3 free spells. Basically offset by free fairy skills)"

    Thin Air can get off more than 2-3 spells... Not to mention with Presence of Mind you can get off 5 free Holies (12000+MP saved) or 2 Raises with a Swift Cast+hard cast.


    *7."Succor provides 375 vs medica 300"

    This is assuming that the shield afterwards blocks an attack unless you mean with Emergency Tactics which has a cooldown. At worse it's an 150 aoe heal. Medica1 is 300. Also Medica1+Plenary Indulgence=450 potency at least.


    *8."However emergency tactics allows about 3 to be spammed in a row"

    Emergency Tactics gets used up for ONE Adloquium or Succor; it's not continuous.


    *9."whispering dawn and embrace takes no actions, you can get the healing out quicker than whm can"

    It's a good practice for White Mages focus target the boss to see when an attack is about to go out and precasting their heals anyway. Plus Swift Cast/Prescence of Mind is a thing. Also Medica2 has an initial heal of 200 and a regen while Whispering Dawn just applies the regen. If Largesse is used beforehand then the heal AND the regens get boost as well. Also you have to micromanage your fairy so it doesn't blow all of it's cooldowns.


    *10."Also, regens and whispering dawn take no mp, while medica 2 and regen casts add up to quite a lot"

    You know White Mage’s big thing right now is that it pretty much has infinite MP now right?


    *11."Basically, for whm to considered a better healer, they need to be anle to make effective use of Cure 3. Otherwise, they fall behind, or need to waste a lot of global cooldowns (like casting regen on everybody individually) to be considered superior at AOE healing."

    There are better ways of healing/managing MP and this isn't one of them. Casting Regen on everyone individually sounds like one of the biggest wastes of MP and healing there is.

    *12."I am not sure I believe that WHM actually has better mp management"

    See the earlier Thin Air comment. Also White Mages are perfectly fine with Lucid Dreaming, Assize, Thin Air and even Freecure procs. Also considering that your healers are WHM 60, SCH 44, and AST 45 at the time of this post, you haven't experienced a lot of the stuff that you're talking about.

    *13."scholar has better as long as you are not constantly spamming Aldo and Succor (no real reason to)
    +
    SCH has the cheapest AOE spamable"


    What? First of all you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. Second, you know if Indomitably and Emergency Tactics are on cooldown then guess what move you're going to have to spam to get everyone's HP back up; Succor. And it's not exactly cheap.

    *14."Thin Air is perfect for supporting Cure 3 since it normally costs a ton of mana."

    Thin Air is perfect for supporting Holy/Raise/Medica2 since it normally costs a ton of mana

    Fixed ^


    *15."I think of Cure 3 as whm “raid utility” (equilivent to chain stratgem and expanded balance in usefulness)."

    White Mage’s main focus at the moment is that if has potent heals, near infinite MP, and strong DPS.


    TL;DR version: All the healers are balanced really well at the moment. Use Largesse+Medica2+Plenary Indulgence instead of Cure3 since it’s less MP, larger range, and heals more. If people don’t use Cure3 much because of how situational it is they’ll probably change it again anyway.

    This topic derailed from "Cure 3 blues" to "SCH>WHM" from your comments and considering that your WHM is 60, SCH is 44, and AST is 45 according to this: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/20527387/ makes you lose some credibility to what you're talking about and trying to convey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roll View Post

    Also one of the biggest reasons why Scholar’s heal potencies seems higher is because abilities such as Lustrate, Indomitability, Excogitation, and Fey Union are NOT spells and do not benefit from the following buffs:


    Dissipation
    Fey Illumination from your fairy
    Largesse as a healer role action
    Convalescence as a tank role action
    Defiance Warrior’s tank stance
    Mantra from Monk
    Nature’s Minne from Bard
    Devotion from Summoner
    This limitation does not only affect scholar. All of white mage’s instant casts are also abilities I believe. Tetra, assize, asylum, divine benison, plantary indugence don’t benefit either. Also remember there is rouse and another fairy ability that regularly boosts potency of the fairy regens so Largesse is not really needed to match whm’s medica 2 and regen combos. Rouse has a shorter cooldown, double the potency, and same duration as Largesse and scholar can still use Largesse in addition for global cooldown heals, just like white mage, when they are needed.

    Fey union is so potent already that it doesn’t need addutional buffing to easily outclass other regens.

    Assize’s cooldown can be reduced to 45 seconds pretty easily with the Lillies. If you know a big hit is coming up you can use Assize for it instead of using it as soon as it’s off cooldown. Also for what it's worth, the questionable Secret of the Lily 2 can lower the cooldown even further.
    First of all the maximum possible reduction of assize from lilies is 20%, which is 48 seconds, not 45. Second, that is really hard to do. You basically need to be spamming Cure 2 since all your other cooldowns will eat up all the lillies like divine benison, tetra, and asylum. With DB on a 30 second cooldown and tetra on a 60, you would need to be very careful with the order you cast spells to avoid accidentally losing all the lilies before assize is used. Since most people claim they can completely hide the gauge and will play no differently as a result, I highly doubt anyone actually gets the three lily assize in a consistent basis in the real world.

    LOL secret of the Lily 2. Good luck with that 20% chance when you crit RNG! Assuming a crit rate of 20%, it would have a net 5% chance of a 5 second cooldown.... per lily, that averages out to a 0.25 second cooldown reduction... Quicken Aetherflow is always 45 seconds with zero requirements and will still be slightly faster even if you consistently micro lillies to death so there is always 3 every time.


    It’s 10% MP back from Aetherflow if that's what you meant from "Aetherpacks"
    I adjusted abilities to a 60 second window for easier comparison since everything has different cooldown durations.


    *5."Also gets fey covenent that kind off offsets divine benisons for free mitigation."

    Fey Covenant reduces only magic damage. Divine Benison reduces any kind of damage. Plus they're both 2 very different things.
    True, comparing them is a stretch. Most big damage is magical, particularly roomwide AOE damage. The mitigation is higher than divine benison and lasts longer, but doesn’t always work all the time. Fey covers whole party while benison is single target. DB has a shorter cooldown. In my opinion the overall power level of the two is roughly the same and used in a similiar way (prevent tank busters or lessen the blow of AOEs). I decided I liked them both equally well, but you are free to disagree.

    Thin Air can get off more than 2-3 spells... Not to mention with Presence of Mind you can get off 5 free Holies (12000+MP saved) or 2 Raises with a Swift Cast+hard cast.
    Again, I was adjusting for cooldown duration differences. Half a thin air is around 2-3 spells. The long cooldown duration is what limits the value of Thin Air relative to completing toolkit’s mp savers. While you could do a couple raises or holy spam, how often will that need line up perfectly with the long Thin Air cooldown? Not often unless you hold off using Thin Air which effectively makes the cooldown duration even longer, lowering the efficency and kind if self-defeating the purpose of saving mana because you are using it less often.

    Raises are not at all predictable or consistent in their timing so you can’t plan for that. Holy is overpriced in mp cost. Miasma 2 and gravity both cost less mp to cast. My whole point is that Thin Air is because WHM needs to cast more spells (medica 2 and regens) that scholar gets for free and holy costs significantly more miasma 2. They need to use Thin Air wisely with Holy spells just to match scholar’s efficiency since scholars can regen and spam AOE damage normally for a fraction of shat whm depends. It simply compensates for a weakness, not grants a unique strength. You can argue that scholar also has relatively expensive spells, like Adlo is more expensive than Cure 2, but that difference is much smaller and that spell is not normally spammed like Holy and maisma 2 are.


    This is assuming that the shield afterwards blocks an attack unless you mean with Emergency Tactics which has a cooldown. At worse it's an 150 aoe heal. Medica1 is 300. Also Medica1+Plenary Indulgence=450 potency at least.
    With ET on a 20 sec cooldown and Indom at 30, do you ever really need to spam multiple succors ever? In theory whm has the advantage when spamming endlessly with no incoming damage at all to destroy shields, but pretty much no content requires that. Keep in mind PI is also a cooldown and can’t be used forever. Indom, succor, and Deployed emergency tactics adlo is a total of 1450 potency using two global cooldowns. For white mage, it would be 1200 with two medicas and two confessions and assize. Eventually whm will surpass scholar by spamming, assuming nothing is ever hitting the shields. However, if regular incoming damage takes out the shield portion, whm will never outpace scholar because plantary indulgence have max 3 confessions. Regardless, white mage will be slower regaining because thry must wait for 3 global to pass before optimally using indulegence where-as scholars has instant, immedaite burst healing with indom.

    It's a good practice for White Mages focus target the boss to see when an attack is about to go out and precasting their heals anyway. Plus Swift Cast/Prescence of Mind is a thing. Also Medica2 has an initial heal of 200 and a regen while Whispering Dawn just applies the regen. If Largesse is used beforehand then the heal AND the regens get boost as well. Also you have to micromanage your fairy so it doesn't blow all of it's
    Where to start... all healers can focus on the boss and precast heals to go off right after. Whm has no particular advantage here that I sm aware of.. Managing the fairy is stupid easy. You just hit a button to have them cast a spell just like every other ability; you don’t even need to target them. EVERYONE should have EOS on Obey so they will never waste your cooldowns. No good player leaves her on SIC. Medica 2 has the 200 immediate heal, but still has about 40% lower potency regen, even after factoring the pet penalty to potencies. Whispering dawn gets a 40% increase from rouse every time and sometimes a 10% buff from the other fairy ability with a linger cooldown. That is way more than Largesse provides. Presence if mind is nice, but but embrace/dawn take no actions. 100% cooldown reduction beats a 20% reduction.

    What? First of all you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph.
    By spammable AOE, I then meant DPS AOE, not healing AOE. Miasma 2 (1680 MP) costs significantly less than Holy (2400 MP).

    *8."However emergency tactics allows about 3 to be spammed in a row"
    Emergency Tactics gets used up for ONE Adloquium or Succor; it's not continuous.
    The situation I was referring to is one if the more common AOE healing mechanics: A few small bursts of damage spaced a few seconds apart. One normal succor, followed by one ET succor, followed by one normal succor again covers this. Typically, the shield is used up over the course of two global cooldowns so you can apply it again on the third cooldown without loss potency. The other type of enemy heal check mechanic is two very strong AOEs back to back. Again, scholar is strong here because of the powerful, instant healing indom provides, along with a ET succor and normal succor to heal up the rest of the way. If it is a big AOE, no damage at all for a long time, and another big AOE, it is best to just use medica 2 or whispering dawn.

    If there is some fringe case not covered above that manages to slightly benefit white mage, there are always other scholar only situational tools like the 20% magic mitigation ability and the sacred soil damage mitigation that can be instantly deployed to further reduce the amount of damage that needs to be healed.
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    *1.“I don’t really want Cure 3 changed. I just want players in general to be aware that spreading out for no reason makes things harder on us healers; particularly white mage.”


    You have other spells besides Cure3 that are more reliable. Everytime I see someone use Cure3 it’s a usually a big overheal anyway that your other heals can take care of for less MP.



    *2.“Please help us out so we don’t have to use the whimpy medica 1!”




    It’s not that big a deal. Nothing requires Cure3. Yes there are times when it’s helpful but right now it’s a niche spell that occasionally gets used just like how some Scholar’s argue that Dissipation is a niche ability that occasionally gets used.



    *3.“All of white mage’s instant casts are also abilities I believe. Tetra, assize, asylum, divine benison, plantary indugence don’t benefit either”



    Divine Benison isn’t a heal so it doesn’t benefit from the healing magic buffs that I mentioned. Fun fact is that it does benefit from Warrior’s Thrill of Battle and Defiance since they increase their maximum HP and the shield from Divine Benison becomes equal to 15% of the targets maximum HP.



    *4.“Fey union is so potent already that it doesn’t need addutional buffing to easily outclass other regens.”



    It’s also situational in that you need fairy gauge and the target has to be in range of the tether. Regen is at the push of a button anytime which is the power/availability tradeoff. Fey Union is strong but gets used less often and stops your fairy from performing another action until you sever the link. Regen is weaker than Fey Union but can be used more often. All healers are balanced with constant tradeoffs like this so there’s really no “outclassing”.



    *5.“First of all the maximum possible reduction of assize from lilies is 20%, which is 48 seconds, not 45”



    My mistake on the math but 3 seconds isn’t a huge difference… And like I said even if Assize is used every 60 seconds it still doesn’t hinder its usability. Assize is already an extremely powerful skill with 3 effects in one. Instead of spending 1680 MP on a Medica, this is a free instant Medica, does 300 potency damage and recovers 10% MP.



    *6.“that is really hard to do(3 lillies)”



    It… Really isn’t. Good White Mage’s can use the lilies to their advantage instead of ignoring them. Take the fairy for example; good Scholar’s can micromanage and use them the best that they can or ignore the fairy by putting it on Sic the whole time and letting it blow all it's cooldowns lol



    *7.“LOL secret of the Lily 2”



    I mentioned this because you kept suggesting that Assize’s cooldown is always 60 seconds while conveniently assuming Aetherflow’s cooldown is always at 45 seconds. Aetherflow’s 60 second cooldown can be lowered to 45 seconds; Assize’s 60 second cooldown can be lowered to 48. Secret of the Lily2 is just an unreliable mention that rarely procs that can honestly be ignored for what it offers to be honest.



    *8.“I was adjusting for cooldown duration differences. Half a thin air is around 2-3 spells.”



    According to your theoretical bubble even one cast of a free Holy or Raise is more than 10%MP saved

    Here’s an example:



    I have 19776 MP on WHM at 70

    10% of that is 1977.6



    Holy costs 2400, Raise is 3600



    So if you’re allowing 2-3 free casts of a spell in your example it still blows this situation out of the water.





    *9.“The long cooldown duration is what limits the value of Thin Air”



    It can be used every other pull and saves a ton of MP. 4 casts of Holy is 9600 MP saved that’s nearly half my MP.

    WHM: 48.5%% MP saved every 120 seconds not to mention two Assize’s for an extra 20% MP recovered within those 120 seconds.

    vs.

    SCH: 30% MP recovered every 135 seconds if lowered with Quickened Aetherflow or 20% MP recovered every 120 seconds without it

    Both have access to Lucid Dreaming as well for more MP recovery but there's a reason why people are saying that White Mage has near-infinite MP now.


    *10.“While you could do a couple raises or holy spam, how often will that need line up perfectly with the long Thin Air cooldown? Not often unless you hold off using Thin Air which effectively makes the cooldown duration even longer, lowering the efficency and kind if self-defeating the purpose of saving mana because you are using it less often.”



    You save it for when you need to use expensive spells like Holy, Raise, and even Medica2 obviously. You're not going to run out of MP if you're using much else. If you use it as soon as the cooldown is available for spells like Stone it’s pretty much wasted.



    *11.“They need to use Thin Air wisely with Holy spells just to match scholar’s efficiency since scholars can regen and spam AOE damage normally for a fraction of shat whm depends.”



    If you spam Miasma2 after all your dots are up you’re still going to run low on MP pretty quickly as well. WHM is perfectly capable at DPSing while alternating between Largesse+Regen and Asylum+Regen as a substitute for the fairy. Even if you take Thin Air out of the picture they’re still perfectly fine at being able to do what they do.



    *12.“With ET on a 20 sec cooldown and Indom at 30, do you ever really need to spam multiple succors ever?”



    Happens more often than you think with 2 Scholar’s in a raid in Duty Finder. Especially when coordination goes out the window.



    *13.“all healers can focus on the boss and precast heals to go off right after. Whm has no particular advantage here that I sm aware of”



    I mentioned this because you complained that WHM heals are “Too slow” when in actuality precasting heals is a thing that’s recommended to do anyway. It’s not an exclusive thing for WHM but I used it as an example because Scholar’s have shields that they can use before big hits.



    *14.“Miasma 2 (1680 MP) costs significantly less than Holy (2400 MP).”



    You’ll still get low on MP if you spam Miasma2…


    Let’s look at the reasoning for the MP cost for the 3 aoe’s closely then:

    *Holy is 2400 MP (200 Potency+Stun) because it can stun everything for up to 7 seconds which is less time and MP spent on healing



    *Gravity is 1920 MP (200 Potency). It doesn’t have the stun effect like Holy so it makes sense for it to be cheaper



    *Miasma2 is 1680 MP (100 Potency + 25 Potency over 12 seconds for a total of 200) because after you’re done applying all your dots to everything you spam this but when you do, the dot from this keeps clipping so it makes sense for it to be cheaper since it's not doing it's full potency upfront.



    See the balance and tradeoffs yet?



    *15.“there are always other scholar only situational tools like the 20% magic mitigation ability and the sacred soil damage mitigation that can be instantly deployed to further reduce the amount of damage that needs to be healed.”



    I’m not disagreeing with you here but I wanted to point out to people that don’t know that instant isn’t always instant since it takes about 2-3 seconds for shields/mitigation to register as being active. It’s noticeable when you apply Galvanize/Nocturnal field right before a big attack lands but end up taking the full hit and the shields are still up afterwards so it's important to shield up early.







    I’m not bashing Scholar at all. It’s an amazing job if played correctly; just like White Mage. It sounds like you’re a great Scholar but still trying to grasp at how White Mage works and struggling to see the balance between the two and their tradeoffs.
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