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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    Lets be realistic here.SE did not cause the problem.The player community did.Nobody told them to go out and buy as many houses as possible and screw every other player out of it to make money.
    Yes SE should have put measures in places to prevent the issue but this issue was created by the community.
    No, not really - SE contributed heavly to the problem by not only making housing limited but also by lowering housing prices when inflation was already happening. Houses used to be 2 or 3 times the price with money being harder to make because there has been less in the game. Instead of adjusting plot-prices to reflect that (aka: raising them), they lowered them.
    That doesnt only allow people to just buy and flip houses, it also creates the illusion that everyone who got 4 million gil on their hands should be able to own a small houses, because thats the current cost of one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    No, not really - SE contributed heavly to the problem by not only making housing limited but also by lowering housing prices when inflation was already happening. Houses used to be 2 or 3 times the price with money being harder to make because there has been less in the game. Instead of adjusting plot-prices to reflect that (aka: raising them), they lowered them.
    That doesnt only allow people to just buy and flip houses, it also creates the illusion that everyone who got 4 million gil on their hands should be able to own a small houses, because thats the current cost of one.
    And once again this was only an issue because the community decided to take advantage of it and each other.Its always going to come down to the fact the community decided to use housing as a way for making profit.That is the main deciding factor as to why we have the housing issue.People need to stop blaming SE and just try not screw each over in the game for gil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    And once again this was only an issue because the community decided to take advantage of it and each other. Its always going to come down to the fact the community decided to use housing as a way for making profit.That is the main deciding factor as to why we have the housing issue.People need to stop blaming SE and just try not screw each over in the game for gil.
    Lets see - according to the latest census there are about 15k people on Odin, our server. Or at least 15k characters, since there are probably some alts mixed in.
    I'm not 100% sure on the numbers anymore but there arent enough houses for everyone on the server - even if we assume that half of the characters are alts and only about 7k are actually players. Specially not if we throw FCs in the mix, competing for houses aswell.
    Even without people owning multiple houses, there wouldnt be enough for everyone and people would get left out.

    SE created the illusion of everyone being able to have a house by lowering the prices while the amount of gil in the game and in the pockets of the indivudal increased.
    When my old FC first bought a medium house me and the FC-leader spend about 3 months crafting and selling gear to get the needed amount for it - we had free pick between several wards, all plots... because back then 18 million gil was an aweful lot of money - today its something I can earn in two days, if I'd really want to. I know people who've never really crafted in this game, but they've got enough money to buy a small house - in theory.
    The problem with that theory is: Its a theory, because it was never intended for everyone to own a house, yet thanks to inflation and lowered prices it looks like it, so people feel they should be able to get a house because they have the money for it. And I dont blame them for being upset when tehy realise that thats nothing but an illusion. And I dont blame them for SE giving them that illusion.

    Seriously: Even if people didnt screw each other over, not everyone would have a house, because the system wasnt meant for it. Yet it seems as if it was - and thats on SE, sorry. And its up to SE to fix that. This isnt the evil, evil house-flippers ruining the game for everyone - the housing shortage would exists even without them. I agree that it would be nice if we could all be nice to each other... but even if we would be about 75% of all characters on our world, Odin, would be left without a home. Probably more, because thats not taking into account FCs houses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    No, not really - SE contributed heavly to the problem by not only making housing limited but also by lowering housing prices when inflation was already happening. Houses used to be 2 or 3 times the price with money being harder to make because there has been less in the game. Instead of adjusting plot-prices to reflect that (aka: raising them), they lowered them.
    That doesnt only allow people to just buy and flip houses, it also creates the illusion that everyone who got 4 million gil on their hands should be able to own a small houses, because thats the current cost of one.
    This, SE is at fault with the housing system, completely at fault. This update could of happened in HW or before SB housing. SE had a lot of chances to prevent the situation now but they love shortcuts sooooo

    Oh yeah vidu makes a good point, not only did SE had lot of chances to fix it, they only made the matters worse by making the houses too cheap. 100% SE, can't blame the players at all.

    Do you understand supply and demand at all Metalwrath ?

    It is simple, for any supply amount there is, there be a related demand. The more rare something is, more people want it. This is balanced out by making an appropriate price for said rare thing. So when SE made smalls 2-4 M or whatever, there was more people with 2-4 M then with housing, all they had to do was make it something like S: 20-40 M, med : 60-80 M, L: 100-150 M and you would had less shortage problems, not a hard concept.
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    Last edited by Vstarstruck; 01-30-2018 at 07:32 AM.

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