The time has come to get rid of enrage timers

[Leglibe]

OP and everyone in this thread arguing for his point are everything wrong with this game's playerbase. I've never seen anything so backwards in my years playing this game. DPS Enrages in extreme and savage fights, especially this tiers', are never so difficult that cannot be done by even below average players. If you can't do them, then that's a problem with you, not the game. People like OP and everyone arguing his point actively make the game worse with their insistence that the game must cater to the lowest common denominator.

[Bobs]

the lowest common denominator.

Lowest Common Denominator

Notice how WAR is already above 2 DPS classes (pre 4.2). Can replace those classes with WAR right now. Who knows what the stats will be after 4.2.

[Mavrias]

Lowest Common Denominator

Notice how WAR is already above 2 DPS classes (pre 4.2). Can replace those classes with WAR right now. Who knows what the stats will be after 4.2.

You should be comparing the max amongst the jobs. In which case, warrior is still 1000+ dps below the "weakest" dps.

[ShanaMia]

You should be comparing the max amongst the jobs. In which case, warrior is still 1000+ dps below the "weakest" dps.

Why would he be comparing max when he's comparing the lowest common denominator?

[Mavrias]

Why would he be comparing max when he's comparing the lowest common denominator?

Probably because the lowest common denominator there is including people who hit a button once every 30 seconds or are flat out dead half the encounter?

[ShanaMia]

Probably because the lowest common denominator there is including people who hit a button once every 30 seconds or are flat out dead half the encounter?

Touche. I suppose somewhere in the middle would be more appropriate.

[Bobs]

You should be comparing the max amongst the jobs. In which case, warrior is still 1000+ dps below the "weakest" dps.

The point I'm making is that WAR CAN out dps and clear content, and they are BUFFING WAR. The DMG creep is real.

Its not suppose to be like that, WAR is suppose to be a tank. But people are so obsessed with DPS that classes are loosing their cardinal roles. I can tell you in FF11 no one was worried about how much dmg a PLD was dishing out. His job was to stay alive.

If your response is "Its easy to stay alive as tank with healer in ff14," you are part of the problem.

[Tridus]

If your response is "Its easy to stay alive as tank with healer in ff14," you are part of the problem.

SE's design is the problem. That players figured it out isn't the fault of the players. If you think jobs that can do lots of DPS shouldn't because of ideological role purity, than maybe you should just play a game that is actually designed that way.

[Mavrias]

The point I'm making is that WAR CAN out dps and clear content, and they are BUFFING WAR. The DMG creep is real.

Its not suppose to be like that, WAR is suppose to be a tank.

Thats not a problem with dps checks in content and more an issue with things not hitting hard enough to make "struggling to stay alive" a thing. I can stay in tank stance all throughout Shinryu for example and we'll still clear if the dps is doing okay at worst. But why would I? Its wholly unnecessary and I could be contributing more by - guess what - dpsing. The whole encounter spent turtled up in tank stance is both boring and a waste.

Unfortunately, SE has opted to make encounters easier rather than harder, with the exception of ultimate. So, there will never be a time outside of progression where your tanks will be entirely focused on staying alive.

[Bobs]

So, there will never be a time outside of progression where your tanks will be entirely focused on staying alive.

Everyone is a DPS then. That sounds boring. If everything is a DPS we should just play a FPS or MOBA or Fighter. Where is the challenge? Don't tell me DPS is a challenge, people just look up whatever the rotation is and do that. Memorizing a DPS rotation is not vary challenging.