SE, Please consider removing EX trials from the Mentor Roulette.

[Metalwrath]

The mentor couldn't have gotten the duty disbanded on their own. Enough other people in the party agreed with them. My experience is actually contradictory to yours, I've had more than my fair share of runs where the ones initiating the abandon were sprouts who were expecting a faceroll and instead actually had to do mechanics. We had 2 mentors in there actually explaining and toughing it out but it was the sprouts who abandoned. And that's ok because Extreme trials are ultimately not content meant to be run by pugs. Which is why I never understood why Coils and Savage were left out but Ex trials weren't.

No of course not but how many times do you get an ex mentor roulette with the majority is sprouts.You dont.Its generally 4-6 mentors and minority is news.

[ErryK]

Maybe everyone would be fine if you can only be a mentor if you beat the new ultimate content? Because somehow someone cant guide a new player if they only do the normal content...

Ultimate is not part of Mentor Roulette, while Extremes are. So that example isn't even real.

So therefore my question is this: If it's to help people through older content, why are coils/Savage not included but ex primals are? With that being said, I wonder how this could be approached. I don't want Ex primals removed myself, I like them, but how does one resolve this?

Coils/Savage are an entirely different level than Extreme primals. Trying to explain T8 or T9 is infinitely more complex than explaining Shiva EX or Ramuh EX.

[Reinha]

Coils/Savage are an entirely different level than Extreme primals. Trying to explain T8 or T9 is infinitely more complex than explaining Shiva EX or Ramuh EX.

What about Thordan ex or Shinryu ex? What chance is there that a sprout who queued blindly is going to carry their weight in a fight where experienced players had to join several practice groups to learn different phases? Many players say that O1S is easier than Shinryu ex, so why is the former not going to be in the roulette but the latter will?

[BillyKaplan]

What about Thordan ex or Shinryu ex?

I'll throw Seph ex into the mix. Took forever to clear and even the unsynced runs for WT are very likely to fail. Hell, Sophia is considered one of the easier extremes out of that batch and I still get into a WT or a farm party that disband after 5 wipes because no one knows what they're doing. And with those things being content from an expansion ago, even synced, people will still underestimate it and wipe. And wipe. And wipe. And blame the mentors.

[ErryK]

What about Thordan ex or Shinryu ex? What chance is there that a sprout who queued blindly is going to carry their weight in a fight where experienced players had to join several practice groups to learn different phases? Many players say that O1S is easier than Shinryu ex, so why is the former not going to be in the roulette but the latter will?

To be fairly honest, I don't know. O1S is a lot easier than both the fights you mention, but even those two fights are easily explainable.

[Jijifli]

To be fairly honest, I don't know. O1S is a lot easier than both the fights you mention, but even those two fights are easily explainable.

As someone who's joined plenty of practice parties and only once seen the start of phase 2, either it's not easily explainable, or it's sounding like players are really really bad at listening.

In the former, why didn't they look up a guide? in the latter, why am I talking to a brick wall AGAIN over Ahk Morn?

[Deceptus]

As I said earlier in the discussion, I would like to be a mentor for the sake of mentoring "really new" people who are only just becoming familiar with the game - because not that long ago I was the one asking those questions and I'm grateful that I got answers. Now I'm far enough into the game that I can start passing that knowledge on to others. I can guide someone through the mechanisms of Haukke Manor or Qarn or the Darkhold, or give general help with the game, but I can't help people with high-level trials..

This is basically where I'm at. Having played since 2.0 launch I have a really good grasp of every class and how they should interact as well as the game world, I'm just terrible at EX's and Savage content. I'd love to help sprouts get through their main story content by tanking and healing, not optional content.

[ErryK]

As someone who's joined plenty of practice parties and only once seen the start of phase 2, either it's not easily explainable, or it's sounding like players are really really bad at listening.

In the former, why didn't they look up a guide? in the latter, why am I talking to a brick wall AGAIN over Ahk Morn?

The fight (along with almost every fight in XIV) is extremely scripted, nothing skips until you hit 44% HP, and then again at 24% HP in the final phase. Because of it being so scripted, it is easy to put down the rotation of the fight. Same thing with Thordan EX, and many other EX fights. In your situation, it seems a lack of communication on the receiver's part.

My biggest problem with Mentor Roulette is that when it comes to EX fights, people just rush in and don't bother to wait for explanations from the mentor. So this is why the success rate of EX primals is extremely low if you see anyone's statistics of mentor roulette, in addition to the fact that people don't listen, and even worse if you're in EU where people don't even speak the language you do...

[RiyahArp]

A better solution is that they should just bump all ex trials to 70 and rebalance them and the awards. The amount of ppl who do them synced is tiny, and unsynced doesn't really help anyone. Might as well just make all optional content for the current level cap.

[Hestzhyen]

A better solution is that they should just bump all ex trials to 70 and rebalance them and the awards. The amount of ppl who do them synced is tiny, and unsynced doesn't really help anyone. Might as well just make all optional content for the current level cap.

Easy to say, nightmare to do. They'd waste resources each expac re-balancing old fights for the new max level and ilvl caps- resources that would otherwise go into designing and creating new content. Now while I agree we could use more horizontal progression rather than vertical, XIV was designed so that old stuff becomes easier as new stuff comes out. Doing EX primals from ARR and HW synced is already easier than when they were introduced due to ilvl inflation. The only way to get the "real deal" challenge-wise would be to go in using minimum ilvl sync.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Mentors to be able to do these old EX fights. Even if you're learning along with the newbies, you have more experience in the game overall and should learn faster. Attitude goes a long way too - keeping people's spirits up does wonders for progression. If you absolutely hate EX trails and don't want to learn the fights, don't do Mentor Roulette - keep doing your thing in the other content offered.