SE, Please consider removing EX trials from the Mentor Roulette.

[Iscah]

So first question, why be a mentor if you can't even do EX trials?

As I said earlier in the discussion, I would like to be a mentor for the sake of mentoring "really new" people who are only just becoming familiar with the game - because not that long ago I was the one asking those questions and I'm grateful that I got answers. Now I'm far enough into the game that I can start passing that knowledge on to others. I can guide someone through the mechanisms of Haukke Manor or Qarn or the Darkhold, or give general help with the game, but I can't help people with high-level trials.

With such a range of required skill/knowledge level in the gameplay, including optional content that isn't a prerequisite for mentorship, mentors aren't all going to be at the same ability level. Thus, it would be great if there was some way for mentors to indicate what content they are actually confident at mentoring in - ideally with the rewards for the roulette adjusted accordingly.

Then don't do it. Or if you're going to do it, don't use Mentor Roulette to do it. After all, "you're not driven to beat it". But wait, you're not driven to beat it, yet you still go ahead and unsync it? Uh... uhm, like... lol?

Did I say I was going to use mentor roulette to get into the EX trials? If you think I did, I phrased it wrong. In fact I know I can't do it, therefore it would put me in the position that despite being a mentor (when I get there), I would feel unable to use the mentor roulette because it would potentially assign me to 'helping' in a trial I don't actually know how to complete, and it wouldn't be fair on the others.

The main reason I would want to beat the EX trials and Binding Coil is so I can see the story locked behind completing it. If I can't personally beat it synched (whether through difficulty in queuing into it or lack of high-level skill / party co-ordination once I'm in there) then I will need to do it unsynched at some stage just to find out what happens.

Personal terminology perhaps, but I would not consider clearing the trial unsynched to be "beating it" - I didn't succeed in the battle as it was intended to be played, I just got a free pass through it to continue the story.

[Paladinleeds]

The main reason I would want to beat the EX trials and Binding Coil is so I can see the story locked behind completing it. If I can't personally beat it synched (whether through difficulty in queuing into it or lack of high-level skill / party co-ordination once I'm in there) then I will need to do it unsynched at some stage just to find out what happens.

Personal terminology perhaps, but I would not consider clearing the trial unsynched to be "beating it" - I didn't succeed in the battle as it was intended to be played, I just got a free pass through it to continue the story.

One thing I will say is Coils and Savage aren't in the Mentor Roulette, so don't worry about that. As for Ex primals, there may be groups on your datacentre that are willing to do it synced? I know we have one on Louisoix.

[Alleo]

Dont like it then dont queue mentor roulette.Problem solved.

And why exactly do newbies need to run extreme primals? IMO a mentor should be for someone that is doing main story runs for the first time and helping them through with that. Nobody needs the ex version for these fights to do the main story and to do most of the game.

But hey if they dont change that its one less mentor for them. I gladly would help someone in a dungeon and maybe an old 24 man raid or the normal mode raids. But I cant even do the roulette because I just dont feel like doing the recent extreme version of the primals.

Extreme primals are there for the challenge. Honestly they should not be there for newbies who still need a mentor.

So first question, why be a mentor if you can't even do EX trials? Second question, why be a mentor if you intend to dip out of some fights?

Yoshida himself stated in an recent interview that mentors should not be perfect players, thats not what they want from that.

Maybe everyone would be fine if you can only be a mentor if you beat the new ultimate content? Because somehow someone cant guide a new player if they only do the normal content...

[Metalwrath]

Its to help them get through older content not just story.Thats was always stated.
There's a reason there are more players at higher levels now than ever before who dont know how to deal with recycled mechanics.
Its called doing old content unsynced.

[Alleo]

Its to help them get through older content not just story.Thats was always stated.
There's a reason there are more players at higher levels now than ever before who dont know how to deal with recycled mechanics.
Its called doing old content unsynced.

And older content synch is still quite hard. There is a big amount of dungeons, trials and raids in the roulette and when you queue for the roulette you can get everything. Nobody will always remember every single fight but at least in the normal modes you can still get through that. Extreme version are just really different from that.

Also people still need to have beaten all the recent extreme primals to even queue for the mentor roulette (and quite the huge iLvl). So for me this truly just feels more like another roulette that will fill different kind of queues and not something that is there to help new players through old content. (Because one should certainly be not new if they reach lvl 70 endgame content..)

I would queue for this roulette if the extreme versions would be out of that. I would do 24 man, different dungeons and trials but I simply cant help in that way because I did not finish recent content..I just find that stupid.

[NephthysVasudan]

Primarily, the mechanics required in an Extreme Trial can't be simplified into party chat. Because of that, whenever an EX trial pops, a few things happen: A party struggles for an hour or so and maybe completes it. Or, more often than not, someone abandons and then once that first person does (and takes the penalty), everyone else abandons as well.

Result: It does nothing but make people not want to queue for Mentor Roulettes because it can easily devolve into a waste of time.

If a player has reached the point where they are ready for EX Trials, they should be looking up guides on their own, making clear parties in the DF, etc.

While some people like the challenge of old synced content, and minimum ilvl content, there are far more who do not.

If you don't want to take the time to teach..then take the badge off..and leave.
End of discussion.

[Metalwrath]

Older content synced isnt as hard as it was when we did it though.This is due to how ilvl syncing works.Chances are when the players get synced to it they will be synced to the maximum ilvl cap which most parties who ran it when it was relevant wouldnt have had.This adds more survivability and higher dps.
There is also echo too.It's not enough to allow the mechanics to be zerged but it generally makes the content to be done comfortably while allowing new players to experience the mechanics.
To be quite honest all the times i did mentor roulette before and got extremes the only time they didnt get completed was when a mentor vote abandoned it.
Some mentors actually enjoy the challenge of helping a team do the fights while other just want to rush in for the bonuses and want to bail if its taking any amount of time.

[Paladinleeds]

Its to help them get through older content not just story.Thats was always stated.

So therefore my question is this: If it's to help people through older content, why are coils/Savage not included but ex primals are? With that being said, I wonder how this could be approached. I don't want Ex primals removed myself, I like them, but how does one resolve this?

[BillyKaplan]

To be quite honest all the times i did mentor roulette before and got extremes the only time they didnt get completed was when a mentor vote abandoned it.

The mentor couldn't have gotten the duty disbanded on their own. Enough other people in the party agreed with them. My experience is actually contradictory to yours, I've had more than my fair share of runs where the ones initiating the abandon were sprouts who were expecting a faceroll and instead actually had to do mechanics. We had 2 mentors in there actually explaining and toughing it out but it was the sprouts who abandoned. And that's ok because Extreme trials are ultimately not content meant to be run by pugs. Which is why I never understood why Coils and Savage were left out but Ex trials weren't.

[Metalwrath]

The could always add an ex primal roullete but the problem with that is the bonus would be have to be very good to get people to use it.
They probably considered it but decided that putting it in mentor roullete would make more sense.