SE, Please consider removing EX trials from the Mentor Roulette.

[AxlStream]

Being mentor does not require you to do anything. If you don't want to run something, you simply don't. Who are you to decide what I do or don't? I still mentor plenty of other content. Does that make me any less of a mentor? No.

If you queue for mentor roulette and dip out because you're not happy with what SE has given you to do, you totally do not deserve to be a mentor. I do atleast 1 mentor roulette a day and sure, I'll hit the occasional Aery, Trial EX or whichever dungeon I loathe running through. I suck it up anyways because that's what's being a mentor is about, helping others before helping yourself.

[Jijifli]

So first question, why be a mentor if you can't even do EX trials?

Let me answer that question with another question.

Why do you assume it's the mentor that can't do the trial and not the other members that are maybe getting mad at the mentor for DARING to say what a mechanic does?

[AxlStream]

Let me answer that question with another question.

Why do you assume it's the mentor that can't do the trial and not the other members that are maybe getting mad at the mentor for DARING to say what a mechanic does?

Actually, quite a good point. But from experience most mentors can't/won't do EX Trials while level synced so I'd say the probability of that is higher. Your experience might be totally different though.

[Moomba33]

So first question, why be a mentor if you can't even do EX trials? Second question, why be a mentor if you intend to dip out of some fights?

You can be a Mentor and never clear a single Ex trial. You can still help people by answering questions about the game in the Novice Network or in the content you do run.
You simply wouldn't have access to Mentor Roulette without the Exes.

I do stick around and try to help when I get an Ex Trial, but I'd estimate only about a 30% clear rate or so. A lot of the time people get frustrated and vote abandon after a few wipes anyways.

Edit: I'll give an example of the Garuda Ex I got in Mentor Roulette today on WHM. First attempt new tank pulls before I can explain anything, Garuda is held in the middle facing the party, pillars are heavily damaged and many dps are hit by slipstream before the adds even spawn. Wipe after the adds spawn and aren't separated.

Next attempt, I explain that the main tank should take Sup north with Garuda, offtank should take Chi south. Neither tank listens and both the adds are left on DPS that don't separate them so we wipe again.

Third attempt I explain the positioning again and the tanks somewhat get it. The pillars are heavily damaged though so we lose some dps to the ultimate. Once the spiny spawns I say not to touch it and someone else marked it with the "target to ignore" sign. Most of the party seems to get it and kills the rest of the feathers but then a Red Mage decides to kill Spiny once the others are dead in spite of many people in the party telling them to stop. We did have a couple of survivors thanks to the echo but then the adds spawned and the tanks once again didn't try to separate them. Wipe.

After that 2 people left and the group vote abandoned. Now, the group was improving and I would have no problem in staying the full time or until we cleared. But I can understand the frustration of Mentors that don't want to deal with people that don't listen in content where mistakes can lead to wipes.

[Kerwin]

If you queue for mentor roulette and dip out because you're not happy with what SE has given you to do, you totally do not deserve to be a mentor. I do atleast 1 mentor roulette a day and sure, I'll hit the occasional Aery, Trial EX or whichever dungeon I loathe running through. I suck it up anyways because that's what's being a mentor is about, helping others before helping yourself.

You don't get to say what I do and what I don't deserve. Get over yourself because you are salty.

[Metalwrath]

A lot of the EX's fail because there are a lot of people with access to mentor roulette who got carried through that content.
The end result is they leave once the EX loads or after a few wipes or they pass a vote abandon with others who dont need the clear.Generally the ones that need the clear are the ones still there when you join it in progress.
They basically need to put a harsher punishment to mentor roulette for leaving on purpose and to encourage them to act in the manner they agreed to when they accepted becoming a mentor from the NPC.

[Rufalus]

I'm sure this varies by datacenter, the kind of groups you get. Mentors can clear ex fights and did need to do so to unlock the roulette... but you can be thrown into no-win situations a lot.

Dodge ability can't be mentored and the first time players who queue for those trials on DF don't know how much harder extreme is than hard mode and come unprepared for playing on a level where attacks must be dodged and mechanics known.

Also common to get French-only players on eu datacenter despite queuing with English as the only DF language selected; not being able to sufficiently communicate all of the fight mechanics using auto-translate.

So imagine you get an impossible to win party, then get dozens more parties like that. You can start with good intentions but eventually you'll join that club who questions whether those things should be in roulette or open to solo-queue DF matchmaking at all when PF is much better for things that need communication and coordination.

[BluexBird]

Because people sometimes like to turn off their brains and have a good time? Just because people don't enjoy things you don't enjoy doesn't make them wrong.

Then don't do Mentor Roulette.

I think you missed the part where Yoshi-P himself encourages people to run content unsynced once that option becomes available if they don't care to try it when it's relevant content. So if the game creator encourages that behavior, I don't see why you're all up in arms

Nope. That makes no sense. Please stop trying.

Im playing because I like the world and the story. I like the gameplay as well of course, but I’m not driven to beat hard optional content just for the sake of beating it.

Then don't do it. Or if you're going to do it, don't use Mentor Roulette to do it. After all, "you're not driven to beat it". But wait, you're not driven to beat it, yet you still go ahead and unsync it? Uh... uhm, like... lol?



Anyone else got any actual arguments? lol

[Emstidor]

If anything the recent MSQ Roulette changes suggest that the SE design philosophy (correctly) favors the newbie queuing for the content because they’re new to it and/or want to try it in DF versus favoring the convenience of the roulette veteran who’s queuing for his 1000th roulette and just wants his easy tomes/cheevo points.

As removing the EX primals would worsen the game experience of the former group (by creating dozens of fights where the queue would no longer pop for lack of people enrolling in it) no, I don’t think your proposed change will be implemented.

[TheAngelneer]

If anything the recent MSQ Roulette changes suggest that the SE design philosophy (correctly) favors the newbie queuing for the content because they’re new to it and/or want to try it in DF versus favoring the convenience of the roulette veteran who’s queuing for his 1000th roulette and just wants his easy tomes/cheevo points.

As removing the EX primals would worsen the game experience of the former group (by creating dozens of fights where the queue would no longer pop for lack of people enrolling in it) no, I don’t think your proposed change will be implemented.

SE's design philosophy seems to be letting the newbie sit for hours on a queue that will either never pop, or when it does people just leave as soon as the duty starts and they are back to waiting hours for replacements/requeue.

IMO that makes for a far worse game experience than informing people how to use Party Finder to get a group of people that actually is willing to run this kind of content.

Mentor roulette wasn't even programmed to pair you up with newbies, but just to fill queues that have been looking for members for the longest time.