Sad experiences of a newbie

[Kaldaka]

I play on Ragnarok and I don't see what you are seeing.

Like I said, it's been a very long while; Was there Pre-HW.
It was disgusting, I have NEVER had experiences like that on any other server or game for that matter.
Perhaps it was just the hand full of people, I don't know. Obviously, i'm being stereotypical in saying the single makes the whole, but I can't exactly call out the 30 or so individuals who were in the category of being absolutely awful people.

Perhaps it is much nicer now, but I can't speak for now as it is simply a shared experience from the past.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Like I said, it's been a very long while; Was there Pre-HW.
It was disgusting, I have NEVER had experiences like that on any other server or game for that matter.
Perhaps it was just the hand full of people, I don't know. Obviously, i'm being stereotypical in saying the single makes the whole, but I can't exactly call out the 30 or so individuals who were in the category of being absolutely awful people.

Perhaps it is much nicer now, but I can't speak for now as it is simply a shared experience from the past.

Have been there since 2.0 I still havent seen what you described and i'm on all the time.

[Kaldaka]

Have been there since 2.0 I still havent seen what you described and i'm on all the time.

Lets put it this way: You and a friend go to a cafe- You buy a hotdog, you friend buys a cheese burger. You're now saying your hotdog doesn't taste like a cheese burger, and so the cheese burger can't either because it's from the same place...

What you experience, isn't absolute. Everyone meets different people, just sadly the ones I did weren't very nice

[Vidu]

I Understand your opinion, but we're both running on assumption here. Neither of us know the circumstances, however a player should never be treated like they're inferior under any circumstances.
If you (objective) don't like how they're playing then take the penalty and let them actually learn at their own pace, learn from their mistakes in their time. Being an absolute nut job because they're unable to heal you through pulling everything as far as the first boss, or not knowing how a specific tank does it's rotation, etc does NOT give anyone the right to be horrible.

The ONLY thing being horrible will do is drive people away, more so since it's the attacker thinking they are mightier than thou.

Again, as repeated often: down to interpretation of events.
In the end, everyone needs to just chill, have some patience and respect.

You seem to have good intentions but your first advice - "Play how you want" - is opening the door for the exact opposite of what you actually want, thats why I called you out on it. This isnt even ins respond only to the OPs situation but rather to you giving some general advice that I just cant agree with, so the excat circumstances of the OP dont matter to much since this is an atiitude I dont want to see spread any further.

"Play how you want" opens the door for ice mages, melees hitting one button, tanks that think of themself as DPS (and therefor dont tank), mute bards, healers spamming only the one skill they like for its animation, healers not healing at all... its opening the door for all sorts of things that you absolutly dont want in the game.
The advice "Play how you want" doesnt express respect to fellow people - if I have an attitude of "I only do what I want" I do not respect you or your opinion because I'm discarding it before even hearing it.
Thats why its such terrible advice for a new person - obviously everyone should be treated with respect, I never said anything else. But that includes the new person who should show the rest of the team the respect of trying their best, listening and taking advice (thats been brought for in a polite manner, ofc) and improving upon it.
"Play how you want" is a terrible thing to say to a new person because it implies "It doesnt matter how you play as long as you have fun!" - but it does matter. We dont need to cuddle newbies to death and tell them thats okay if they dont know how to play as long as they have fun because thats what leads to them not learning how to play.

If you dont learn how to play in a solo-game you simply wont beat that game - or you need to learn and improve.
The problem here is that three people can carry you through most content - until you hit a brick wall where thats not possible anymore or you meet some people in a highlevel dungeon who rightfully expect you to perform - if no one has called you out on your performance before or you just cried "harrassment" and "I play how I want!" each time someone told you "Hey, you need to do things differently" you wont have fun anymore.

Maybe its just me but by saying "I play how I want" you're expressing that your own fun is a lot more important than the fun of everyone else around. Thats not showing respect. Showing respect is everyone trying to make the run as pleasent as possible for the entire group. That does mean: No harrassment. But it also means that: Improving, learning, taking advice - and not discarding it with an attitude of "I do what I want".

I agree, everyone has to show some respect - including a new person, for example by not learning basics of their job in any content past level 50. Your argument of letting them learn at their own pace holds only true for the first few dungeons. At a certain point, if someone is a slow learner, they should take a step back and sort out their skills before taking on the next challenge. Bit of an extreme example, but: Sorry, Expert roulette isnt the right place to discover how flash works and that you should use it.

[Nedkel]

I'm new to this game, I've played maybe total 30 days and I love it. I love the mechanics, I love the looks, the feel, the fashion.

But I'm probably not gonna come back to this game.

I've always mained healers, it's the role I enjoy the most. And as a healer I'm used to getting blamed for wipes. But in all the years I've played, I have never had such consistently horrible experiences doing group content as I have in FF14 in the past two weeks.

In almost every dungeon I've been doing I have had abuse hurled at me. What was said to me was directed at me specifically, it was personal and targeted. I get it, it's video game, but there is another person there. Like I said, I'm generally used to this and sometimes engage in cheeky banter too, but what I've been experiencing was just downright vicious and really exhausting.

Just drop reports right and left and give these scrubs a reason to get a break from the game, since they are taking these under 60 lvl dungeons so seriously.
Asking a healer to do dps is punishable offence, none can harass the healer over their dps, it has been stated by the head of the game development team Yoshi-p. If people who harass you dont know well that suks for them.
I have seen a healer being blammed for low dps in the 50-60 dung, and reported the harasser myself, dont ignore it, because the problem will continue and there will be more healers to blame by the same person.

WAIT WAIT WAIT stop this!

you know, I'm in the same server I'm a main healer, never had a complain.

They could be more sympathetic and polite, but I'm sure 99% is your fault.

This game has its own rules, you cannot "spam heal" and think "i'm doing fine". You aren't.

My advice is "begin from level 1" as conjurer -> whm or arcanist -> scholar and understand every skill
Another good advice is "try to play as tank or melee dps", you will see how others play the healing class.

P.S. I play healer in WoW, in Lotro, in RIFT... everyone is different.

Of course he is.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...NwqZTwPUw/edit

That being said, and I want you to really reinforce this to your viewers, I firmly believe it shouldn’t be mandatory and we do NOT have the expectation of them to DPS.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Asking a healer to do dps is punishable offence, none can harass the healer over their dps, it has been stated by the head of the game development team Yoshi-p. If people who harass you dont know well that suks for them.

This is 100% false. Asking someone to DPS is not a punishable offense. It is also not considered harassment either. Please refrain from spreading misinformation.

[ThirdKeyOfSun]

Asking a healer to do dps is punishable offence, none can harass the healer over their dps, it has been stated by the head of the game development team Yoshi-p. If people who harass you dont know well that suks for them.

I have no stake in any of this but I just wanted to point out that asking a healer to dps is not punishable and kicking a healer for not dpsing is safeguarded under the "Differences in Playstyle" umbrella of the vote kick system itself (as maintained by GMs). Harassment should never be tolerated or condoned but the simple act of asking a healer to dps or even letting them know they will be kicked if they do not put in the effort does not fall under any of that D: whether or not it should is a whole other discussion in and of itself that I do not have the will or desire to engage in at the moment.

[Kaldaka]

@Vidu:

I see your point, and agree with some of it, but as i'm hovering over a new player(she's made a char on my account), I told her the exact same things.
The game has taught her everything she needed to know (with the exception of temple of qarn, she asked me to finish it for her).
Anyway, the game teaches you your skills and flashes combos if you have them.
Not doing them removes from your own experience, so there is no logical reason you wouldn't automatically do it.

Perhaps I just have more faith in new players, than I do 'experienced' as they aren't jaded yet, like us lot.

You can't run expert roulette at 50, been a long time since you could.
And 50/60 is old content, so someone trying to learn is bombarded with people refusing to do mechanics, shouting at them they need new gear and they suck.

It's like a lucky dip depending on what sort of people you get in any dungeon, at any point in the game.

(quote was too long for word count so cut it down)

[Nedkel]

I have no stake in any of this but I just wanted to point out that asking a healer to dps is not punishable and kicking a healer for not dpsing is safeguarded under the "Differences in Playstyle" umbrella of the vote kick system itself (as maintained by GMs). Harassment should never be tolerated or condoned but the simple act of asking a healer to dps or even letting them know they will be kicked if they do not put in the effort does not fall under any of that D: whether or not it should is a whole other discussion in and of itself that I do not have the will or desire to engage in at the moment.

Still you cant harass anyone over their dps because that stands for parser harassment.

[Sebazy]

Asking a healer to do dps is punishable offence,

The request for DPS isn't the problem here, it's the manner in which it's put forth.

If I spot a healer spam curing a full HP tank or simply standing around, I'm fine to politely suggest that they could try filling in some of those blanks with dots and seeing how they go from there, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'll come queue a dungeon with you right now and you can report me after saying it if you wish, that's how much faith I have in that statement.

However, I could spout some profanity laced sentence regarding just about anything, it could be about your DPS or it could even be about your hairstyle for all the GM team cares. What matters, is the wording that I used, not the subject I was referring to.

Two good examples of this would be an LS mate earning a temp ban for politely asking to get kicked from some roulette (Ironically, it was one of the few times he was actually polite, we laughed at him, a lot). The other would be stink that got kicked up here a bit back over someone who finally won a primal mount they had been farming for a while, came out with something akin to 'f**k me, finally' and again, got reported and temp banned over it despite the fact that it wasn't even aimed at anyone.

Know your facts before you make such wide arching statements =(