What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[Miste]

I'll actually consider not calling people using threda like that just to dismiss other players maybe when the moment it'll stop. It's not like I care if your precious healer DPS debate is ruined in the process.

There is a difference between encouraging and discussing how the game is designed and forcing people to do something. Encouraging is not forcing. Discussing how the game is designed is not forcing. Discussing that healers should -try- to put in equal effort as their teammates is not forcing.

I don't know why you seem to think the people here are "forcing" people to do anything. No one has the power to force you or anyone else to do anything, but we do wish to encourage people to learn jobs in a way that is most beneficial to yourself and for your party since we all should be striving to do our best to help each other.

If you can do something to help your parties then why would you fight against it? Why fight against improvement when it helps you and helps others too?

We aren't talking about healers doing not enough DPS, we mean ones that do absolutely zero. If a healer at least casts a few instant cast DoTs here and there on bosses or on regular pulls then at least they are trying to stay active and trying to do whatever they are able to do to assist themselves and their group.

[Vyriah]

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The vast majority of what I have written here is oriented toward improvement of the game. What I have been saying again, and again, and again, and again and what I am gonna say again right now is that you can solve this whole discussion by design. Litterally, you can patch the game and solve the exact matter you're talking about.

"Talking about people who do 0 DPS" isn't gonna make every do DPS. And look, every one knows it :

I'm not going to change your mind and unless you come out with something than the same crap you've been slewing you aren't going to change mine.

This sums up your current way of viewing this matter. Why bother talking about 0 DPS healers ? Is it gonna solve everything ? Is calling them lazy, incompetent, bad, snowflakes, "healer princesses" and whatever else is gonna improve the game ? It's not, they'll camp their position the exact same you all camp your position in front of me while I said contless of times I'm not opposed to what you're telling.
I'm talking about doing it in a way that works.

Why is there such a resistance to that idea ? Why is everyone come with the exact same question I answered every single time ? I'm not against healer DPS. I've done it. Every one here did. That's not what I'm talking about at all.
Explain me how you have improved the game with that thread and the one that was here before ? There's mostly the same persons saying the same things and you all head deep into it that you now identifie any different to an opposite. But how, for exemple, saying that DPS could generate lilly and that would encourage doing more DPS at any level possible as it tie healing and DPS together is a problem ? Why so much people here have to oppose this to extent they have been until now ?

Why are you all so adamant about pointing some player for what you can find in the way the game is made ?
Because you always play a game the way it's made, FF XIV needs something from outside of the game to recah what you are talking about. And what I'm talking about is what you can put into the game for player to reach what you are talking about by themselves. Because the same way everyone here absolutly seem to not want to hear what I say just because I'm the one saying it, every 0 DPS healer isn't gonna listen to what you say exactly because you're saying it.

I'm not here to convince any one, I'm not in a "side" or whatever. I don't think saying "but, there's some DPS that sucks too !!" is anything better. I'm just talking about the game and what you could do with it.

[Miste]

Explain me how you have improved the game with that thread and the one that was here before ?

Hate to burst your bubble, but since we have little to no control over the design of the game...why exactly do you expect us to be able to improve the game in ways that are outside our control?

The only thing we can do is discuss in these threads, make suggestions, explain how the current design works, and encourage healers to explore their DPS kit, so that's what we do. I mean you do realize none of us work for SE? Your expectations are too high and you are asking for us to accomplish something that isn't possible. We don't have the power to change the game design, only SE has that.

As for the rest I can't make much sense of what you are trying to say. You seem to be saying "oh, its pointless to tell people to DPS, not all of them will listen"...if that is what you meant well my answer is: I don't care if you think it's pointless, I'm gonna do it anyway and even if only some of them listen then it was a still a success anyway. So you might as well give up on that.

If people really want to camp their position of doing zero DPS on healer then I have to say doing that simply for the principle of it is extremely stubborn and it is just willfully not playing in a more beneficial way for no reason, because the simple fact is there is no reason for any, at least decent to average player, to use absolutely zero of their DPS kit when there are situations where there is nothing to heal or the damage is so slow that the tank hovers at 95%-99% for a long time.

The reason we "camp" our position is because there isn't really a logical argument why healers (who are not new anymore) should not use their DPS spells when there is nothing to heal. Unless the player has a disability or some such, but that is an outlier situation and not the norm.

[Vyriah]

Hate to burst your bubble, but since we have little to no control over the design of the game...why exactly do you expect us to be able to improve the game in ways that are outside our control?

I don't care if you think it's pointless, I'm gonna do it anyway and even if only some of them listen then it was a still a success anyway. So you might as well give up on that.

You answer your own question.

Watching for player feedback is pretty common nowdays, especially for online games. It's like decisions to add or change something are taken at complete random. Keeping player feedback is a reason to get those forum up in first place. So yes, talking about something on the forum can have a positive impact it the game.

And I told multiple time the problem isn't why some one shouldn't do DPS, it's about why they don't and :

And as already underligned, there's a lot a things that would comfort players in general in to continuing playing that way. There's one healer in dungeon each dungeon, there's few communication between players in them, healers tend to get a lot of commend because they're are healer, the average level is closer to them that the uptime crazy SCH and bad attitude of mostly premade lv gain players will comfort them that what they're doing is right, even if it's standing here doing nothing.

This. Again.
And even then, this shouldn't be such problematic matter. I have been leveling my BRD lately And I barely ever ended up with non DPS healer. Hard not to notice when healer DPS given the kinda noises healer DPS produce. So it's not like it's such a dramatic concern.

[Miste]

So yes, talking about something on the forum can have a positive impact it the game.

Did you read what I said? Because you are just repeating what I just said.

You said you expect us to improve the game with our threads, but the fact is they might not no matter how much we post. Nothing any of us can do to change that, only SE can. If SE listens, ok, if not, there is not much else we can do except keep posting and discussing.

That's why I said we discuss on the forums...yet you are trying to tell us it is pointless while also saying that discussing on the forums can have positive impact on the game....

Yeah? I know that that is why we discuss things here.

So why are you in here telling us it is pointless then? You are contradicting yourself.

I think there is too much of a language barrier here. I am possibly not understanding you and you are definitely not understanding me.

[Vyriah]

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Really ?
If that's the only thing you have to say, I don't really care. I'm not sure what you are trying to do with that kind of sophistic stunt, outside making sure to anyone that doubted it that this discussion have no meaning whatsoever.

Is it fear? Is it a mentality? Is it just poor play? Laziness? That is what the topic is asking.

I have answered that question multiple times, and there's a even a quote of it two message above yours.

[Miste]

Really ?
I'm not sure what you are trying to do with that kind of sophistic stunt, outside making sure to anyone that doubted it that this discussion have no meaning whatsoever.

What sophistic stunt? I did nothing of the sort. All I did was explain why I feel you aren't understanding me and I am not understanding you. When you last replied you just repeated things I said just in different words. So you aren't really discussing what I said....which means your replies get confusing.

I mean I can explain it from my point of view point by point.

You said "How have you improved the game with these threads?" (This question cannot be answered by us because we can only post, SE is the only one able to take action which may or may not happen for any topic on these forums not only healer stuff)

You then also say these posts and threads about healer dps are pointless.

I said that we don't have the power to force improvements to the game. The only influence we can have on the game is using the forums to make suggestions, and discuss things so that is what we do. All we can do is post..it is out of our control if SE ever listens or not.

You say it is pointless to have these discussions on the forums, but then also in the same breath say that the forums can have a positive influence on the game.

That's the reason why I said we post because it can possibly influence the game and the players. The only power we have is to post and make suggestions and discuss and you agree the forums can influence the game, yet you are trying to tell us it is pointless to discuss on the forums about healer dps.

You are contradicting yourself so it is confusing me.

If the discussion has no meaning then why are you here? It must have some meaning to you otherwise you wouldn't waste your time here.