My points on SCH, AST, WHM and healer role actions

[Kabzy]

Dissipation: I think it is just useless. I have been a sch main over 2 years now and i have never used it once. I may be wrong, there can be uses and i think it is not necessary. And idea: It may reset fairy gauge and replace it with aetherflow instead of killing my beautiful angels!

You need to do more content then. It's very applicable in pretty much any scenario that requires minimal/no healing. You can usually find these opportunities early on in fights, or very obvious stages like the DPS race on Shinryu Ex. When you look at the ability that way, it's not overly niche, you simply have to learn to use it. In any raid, you should always use it at the last few % of the boss. The additional 3 AF stacks paired with Quickened Aetherflow is very powerful.

Then it also has its niche uses for healing, as it was supposedly intended. Though these scenarios are far more situational.

[Kurando]

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Saying it's challenging to DPS as a healer at the moment is not a very good excuse to deserve more damage output, especially as DPSing has never been easier. Now trying to DPS with the OLD cleric stance before SB yes that was a challenge, but we could also say that RDM should have better healing because they have the tools to dance between heals and DPS as well.

I'm not saying Cleric Stance is a waste but boosting it for more DPS potential may mean future content having to take heal dps in to consideration. We already have damage issues with many other jobs either too high or too low, Cleric may add to the damage deficit differences more.

[era1Ne]

I said it before and i'll say it again - this is an Emergency skill. if you main SCH and you do prog or pug, then you should understand how this skill can save the day. i think the main issue of most people with Dissipation is that it is not used at all in normal "perfect group" runs and also the fact that it wastes Fariy Gauge, but there were many time i could save my group a wipe and get a first kill simply because i could get these 3 aetherflow stacks to heal up tank and group along with healing potency increase. so i don't think this ability needs and overhaul, maybe just unsummon and instant resummon once it wears off

In agree with you mostly, but the bold part is not true, because scholars use the skill in optimise runs depending on the fight. For instance, i use it during exdeath and re summon the fairy when the boss is not targetable anymore after decisive battle. Dissipation is just as skill with niche usage as you said.

[Ceasaria]

I just had an idea for Dissipation :
Orders your pet away while granting you a full Aetherflow stack. Also increases healing magic potency by 20%.
Duration: 20s
The fairy gauge is not removed (it will if the timer ends and there is no fairy).
Summon or Summon II become instant cast (until the end of the duration of Dissipation).
Cast Summon or Summon II will end the effect of Dissipation.

[era1Ne]

I like your idea. Ceasaria.

Excogitation: In most situations it wears off. I know they are poking it in 4.2 but instead of just ticking the healing, i think it can make a shield of the healing potency or something. If it isn't used anyway, which means tank is above %50 hp and why would i need it to tick?.. It has some uses and a great ability but your fellow healer needs to notice (hahaha) you put excog on tank <3

The feelings when the other healer doesn't stop healing the tank after you put excog on him or worse, the paladin using clemency

Aetherpact: Make fairy use its actions as well under fey union (god pleaseee!)

I don't think this is necessary, because you can already work around that.

Eos: Make her hug us!

ROLE ACTIONS

Cleric Stance: 15 sec with %5 buff. Just why? Another braindead ability. Please make it %10 or 20 buff or extend the duration so we can be happy.
Break: Why?
Protect: It just covers a precious spot and it is useless for the rest of the dungeon etc. It should be removed.
Esuna: Needs to be not a role action. I miss leeches and exalted detriment. Yes, you make me miss them. Please remove this as a role action because it is kinda, you know, mandatory.

Totally agree with you, that esuna should NOT be a role action and cleric should get a buff. Nowadays, i wouldn't mind if they delete protect either.

Sorry for saying not much about AST and WHM, i think they are in a good spot right now. SCH needs poking though and idk why they ignore it.

To be honest, outside of QoL issues scholar is the best overall healer in my opinion and should be nerfed a bit. Noct Ast for example stands no chance against scholar atm. Don't get me wrong, you can do every content as noct ast. It is just weaker than scholar and you notice this especially in ultimate.

[NorthernLadMSP]

My one WHM gripe is that I hate Stone IV and really miss Stone III. I know it's minor (and maybe silly to some people) but I love the animation and sound effect a lot more on Stone III.

[Johaandr]

Surecast is only useful in shinryu and exdeath cuse its necessery to sustain dps. But otw its not much of a use

[CreinCrein]

Dissipation doesn't get enough love as an actual mitigation tool. It's incredibly strong for pulse AOE phases, more so when you pair it with largesse which makes your succor hit harder than an unbuffed deploy. It also has its uses as a dps/emergency healing CD. Even though it's an incredibly boring skill it's still very useful.

[Sebazy]

Cleric actually isn’t horrible if you’ve got the slot to spare and you’ll see plenty of high end healers using it diligently. it’s just such a lame amount that it’s super underwhelming on the surface despite the damage component not actually being that bad. I do agree that piling more damage on it is a bad move. Perhaps adding a modest mp cost reduction to offensive spells for the duration would be the change it needs to make it stand out more? Tacking like 20% on suddenly makes it very interesting for all 3 healer roles, especially in AoE situations.

Dissipation doesn't get enough love as an actual mitigation tool. It's incredibly strong for pulse AOE phases, more so when you pair it with largesse which makes your succor hit harder than an unbuffed deploy.

Whilst I'm still kind of meh about it's value even as a DPS tool now (maybe I'm just salty about the resummon bug getting fixed), this is a very good point that I totally overlooked.

[KDSilver]

Saying it's challenging to DPS as a healer at the moment is not a very good excuse to deserve more damage output, especially as DPSing has never been easier. Now trying to DPS with the OLD cleric stance before SB yes that was a challenge, but we could also say that RDM should have better healing because they have the tools to dance between heals and DPS as well.

I'm not saying Cleric Stance is a waste but boosting it for more DPS potential may mean future content having to take heal dps in to consideration. We already have damage issues with many other jobs either too high or too low, Cleric may add to the damage deficit differences more.

It's not an excuse. I don't want more damage. I want a more efficient Cleric Stance that deserve to take that 5th spot. Increasing the duration or the damage is a way. Not the only I agree. (it was an example if you prefer, not the main argument)
I was talking about the "challenge" of DPSing as a healer, cause you said dpsing healer took the wrong job, so, I responded that what is actually fun is dpsing by being a healer cause we do both. That's what we like. So switching to a DPS wouldn't be the same feeling.

Healer damages will never be considered, even if Cleric Stance would get buffed. They said it several times so there's nothing to worry about.

Perhaps adding a modest mp cost reduction to offensive spells for the duration would be the change it needs to make it stand out more?

It could indeed be a great idea.