My points on SCH, AST, WHM and healer role actions

[KDSilver]

They can't buff Fey Wind or make Silent dusk another dps increase.

It would be another huge buff to scholar and it would make healers more unbalanced again. It would step on Nocturnal Ast field without the RNG factor.

So that's definitly not a solution.

[PerrinTaveren]

Silent dusk is useless. there are tons of other jobs who can silence mobs. And fairy casting time and action time is being unpredictable, silencing a mob with it may be too late. So making a relatively useless ability into a useful one isn't the solution? They did it with ast's spear. They can rework what silent dusk does. It can be like bard's warden's paean. It can be placed on a target then if there is a debuff, it removes it instantly etc. There, a single target esuna. Or they can do it like synastry and make the placed target be healed as well. i don't know, these ideas are from the existing abilities ofc, but it is pretty useless at the moment. Any chance would be nicer regardless.

And fey wind being %3 is just bad. Why would i give up Eos for that? My point is to be able to choose Selene over Eos, which fey wind doesn't succeed this. I don't count fey caress which has uses.

[Kaisha]

Excogitation: In most situations it wears off. I know they are poking it in 4.2 but instead of just ticking the healing, i think it can make a shield of the healing potency or something.

You're not using it correctly if it doesn't wear off. In dungeons, either in the middle of a big pull so you have that extra healing buffer to get your DPS going before resorting to GCD heals, or used inplace of a lustrate if it'll proc immediately since it's higher potency. Don't overheal to the point where Excog will never proc.

In raids, it's one of the best tank healing skills in the game. I am absolutely riding the cooldown on it in Ultimate Coil since it lines up with near every major source of incoming damage to the tank, and it takes a ton of GCD healing stress off to allow more room for dps in a fight that mandates healer dps. It's also the only skill in the game that can heal between queue'd up auto-attacks on a tank buster.

[KDSilver]

I know Silent Dusk is bad and useless.
I never said that changing it into a useful skill is not a solution. My point was that they can't change useless skill into another DPS increase because it would be too much for scholar.

Fey Wind isn't as bad as it looks cause the buff is up every 60s for 30s on everyone.
They can't change it to 5% cause it's the current effect of an extended arrow. But a guanranteed arrow every 30s.

So if they had to make some adjustement to Silent Dusk, it should be something that doesn't mitigate, doesn't heal or doesn't increase dps. Because again, balance between healers.
Scholars is already the most versatile healer with plenty of way to heal, mitigate, restore mana, help the party.

I think that's why there has been no change to Silent Dusk or Dissipation until now. Scholar is really strong, and that's hard to find a way to adjust these two skill without making him broken.

[PerrinTaveren]

@kaisha, i agree on what you say. i use it that way as well. Dungeons aren't a problem mostly and i don't raid ultimate coil :P i am restricted to extreme primals, i like to play casually a bit. But with raids, like 24 man or ex primals or omega nm, what i see is, when i use excog, other healer doesn't notice and keeps healing the tank and it wears off mostly. That was my point on that mostly. Other than that, i agree excog being amazing. I can put dots and stuff without worrying tank is gonna murder him/herself :3

@KDSilver, you may be right but wasn't the sb revamp on abilities making them useful or erasing useless ones? They are just lazy i think. They can change it without breaking anything. I mean they should be with this revamped system :P

[Sylvain]

Sebazy is very right and I also forgot to say that the 20%heal should also affect skills. (but that is more something that needs to be done on all healers)

Regarding the reply on selene needing a buff.
She does need a buff. But not to fey wind, every job need to retain some identity and strong point. AST is a buffer and if you play it on a regular basis, you should know that the card system can be extremely unreliable making AST contribution quite random, I had attempt with almost 100 % uptime on balance/arrow and other where I would only get bole and s ewer. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with it, (it is the cost of having great buff), however, if you buff Selene wind to 5%,you buff her by 60%, add libra and Sch strong dps to the mix, you severely injure AST identity as a buffer. (on the dps side of things at least)

Side note, the tower should be reworked, TP recovery is useless in all raid encounter and remotely useful in dungeon. The recovery status could easily be transfered to Ewer. However beside "healing received increased" I don't see what else could be done as buff



I propose that people bring idea to replace silence and aoe esuna while keeping in mind balance and feywind.
In other words, what change would you bring to her that would make the choice between her and Eos an actual choice (and not an obvious choice because one is clearly better in most situation)

I propose: autorez once every 2min.
Pro saves mana, can replace smn/RDM, makes swift cast more usable for heals. (gb those situation where you SC succor and you see the dragon die from random stuff 5sec later)
Con: useless if no one dies, doesn't help preventing death

[KDSilver]

@KDSilver, you may be right but wasn't the sb revamp on abilities making them useful or erasing useless ones? They are just lazy i think. They can change it without breaking anything. I mean they should be with this revamped system :P

Indeed, that's what SB was aiming for.
And I think they were a bit lazy too. It looked fine without trying to changes these skills so they didn't do anything.

Actually, what would be one of the "best choice", is making Silent dusk being the physical form of Fey Covenant and make it share the same CD (cause right now, it shares its CD with Whispering Dawn).
And magical/physical increase is around a 8% damages mitigation. So that's okay.

[Kurando]

Cleric Stance: 15 sec with %5 buff. Just why? Another braindead ability. Please make it %10 or 20 buff or extend the duration so we can be happy.

If you buff the potency or increase the duration then you got to ask what's the point of having any DPS role at all if the healers can do more damage and/or for longer. Yes 5% is not a lot, but healer DPS is or can already be high, so if you want to DPS more try a different role.

[KDSilver]

If you buff the potency or increase the duration then you got to ask what's the point of having any DPS role at all if the healers can do more damage and/or for longer. Yes 5% is not a lot, but healer DPS is or can already be high, so if you want to DPS more try a different role.

If you buff the potency or increase the duration... you actually make Cleric Stance a more valuable choice among Cross Role action, cause right now, it barely make a difference and it's ridiculous.
They decided to keep it and make it a buff instead of completely removing it. 10% during 15s or 5% during 20s would be at least better.

It has nothing to do with the role itself.
It's taking a cross role action that make a real difference.

" so if you want to DPS more try a different role."
I hate that argument. Dpsing as a healer is not dpsing as a DPS, it's because it's more challenging cause you have healing to do too, that's the interesting part of trying to optimize healing and dps.

And it's not to "DPS more" that a change to Cleric Stance should be done, but, as I said, to give it a good reason to take a cross action spot instead of something else.

[PerrinTaveren]

with esuna, protect, lucid dreaming, largess, eye for an eye, swiftcast, etc etc. being there, i won't grab a %5 buff 15 sec duration cleric stance :3 that was my point @kurando :3

ofc i like to dps, and i never say healers SHOULD dps. Play how you want to play. I like dpsing as a healer BUT that cleric stance is pathetic to be grabbed :3