Hunt Community vs Hunt Snipers

[Archwolf]

I am looking to get more insight into the community's views on how hunts are handled by the community. It has been said that devs intended for hunts to be competitive, that they were only intended for the people in the immediate vicinity of the find. But we know that current A ranks (now at level 70 I mean) are designed to be taken down by at least a full party if not requiring more.

So SOME networking is necessary in order to hunt successfully.

Then on my own behemoth server, this kind of stuff happens:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Behemoth-hunts.

So is the intent for communities to police themselves when it comes to hunts? Makes me wonder how Japanese servers deal with theirs.

[KaivaC]

Didn't somebody post here on your behalf a while back? I could've sworn I recalled a topic relating to this subject not too long ago - plus, it had come out that the person who was banned had been something of a harasser themselves. Hm....

On subject, hunts are indeed competitive. While there are hunting linkshells and communities meant to enable more players to track down a hunt, and I can understand the frustration when someone else pulls, there's no actual rule saying that other players MUST wait for others.

[Archwolf]

I'm not sure, I did not follow that thread if it did exist, but would not be surprised. Many people were effected by my ban.

I did take some steps that could have been considered harrassment, when I showed up at their Shirogane houses and spoke to them. But I only explained the situation, didn't use offensive language. That is the most 'harrassment' i'm guilty of. And resetting their hunt once or twice. lol

[Unease_Lemming]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-an-adjustment

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-S-rank-Hunts

These are the topics mentioned.

[Newmanxeno]

I don’t think there should be anymore rules in place otherwise more of us would be in danger of a perma ban.
I think it’s just up to your community to get more on top of the timers. When every reset comes you need to get vigilant.

[Paladinleeds]

And resetting their hunt once or twice.

If I remember the rules correctly this is treated as griefing and thus explains why you were banned.

[Archwolf]

If I remember the rules correctly this is treated as griefing and thus explains why you were banned.

You are correct. I broke the rules by resetting their hunt, and allowing more people to make it to the kill. I don't feel sorry for that.
My real problem is that these players are actively griefing the entire community of people who are also interested in ARR S ranks and other hunts, and nothing is done about them. Their behavior is ugly and detrimental to the common good, whereas my actions were taken in an effort to change the behavior of one or two players (yes, I 'griefed' them). I don't feel sorry for that either.

[Paladinleeds]

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Then frankly, I agree with the ban. Your lack of remorse is showing, and that you'd show a flagrant disregard for the rules again. If you're that concerned about this "griefing" (of which outside of resetting the hunt pull, SE sees no griefing possible), get SE to change the rules. Don't just go vigilante because that will get you banned again. I actually have put forward suggestions for improving older hunts (such as ARR S Ranks), and actively call them out when I see them. But at the end of the day, SE sees that you're griefing and they aren't. Them's the rules unfortunately. You just gotta deal with it or campaign for change.

[Unease_Lemming]

Then frankly, I agree with the ban. Your lack of remorse is showing, and that you'd show a flagrant disregard for the rules again. If you're that concerned about this "griefing" (of which outside of resetting the hunt pull, SE sees no griefing possible), get SE to change the rules. Don't just go vigilante because that will get you banned again. I actually have put forward suggestions for improving older hunts (such as ARR S Ranks), and actively call them out when I see them. But at the end of the day, SE sees that you're griefing and they aren't. Them's the rules unfortunately. You just gotta deal with it or campaign for change.

We have been trying to get this acknowledged, see the two topics that were linked up there.

Everyone outside of Behemoth does not care at all though, since everyone just assumes we're lazy whiners. SE does not care either from the looks of it.

It's terrible that the people doing this have been getting away with it for months now. The hands of the rest of us are tied thanks to the "rules", and our cries for help are being ignored. It's no wonder people are getting more and more desperate. Hunts on Behemoth are a sad affair, and nobody, including the devs, care at all. Feels horrible.

[KaivaC]

Umm...so...you didn't think at all that when you got warned the first time about swearing, that maybe, 'Hey, I shouldn't do this again'? That didn't cross your mind at all? "No...I'm just going to track them down to their house and confront them in person".


Look, yes, it sucks you got banned, and perhaps you have done your server a huge service. But you should've backed off after the first two warnings. But no...you dun goofed and started a witch hunt, and yeah, at this point, they were in their right to report you for that 3rd offense. Again, yes, it sucks. But you can't go around doing that - players will be players, especially in an online community. There's no rules that prevent players from being unsportsmanlike. That's life. Either you have to roll with the dice...or deal with the consequences. If you can't see why the GMs might have put you on a permanent ban after 3 warnings, then yeah, this is just a pity party, unfortunately. I don't mean to be harsh...but yeah...beyond my harsh statements, there's a truth that you're either doing to have to see, or deny it and carry on trying to plead your case to other players.

Also, let me throw this up here before I get accused of being understanding - we have a problem like this on Siren. Maybe still do...I dunno, I haven't hunted in months. It was an entire hunt linkshell having to deal with one single FC that would often do this. Yeah, it made us mad because that was a lot of hard work somebody put in. Did we start cursing them out? No. Did we visit their FC home or personal home and passive aggressively threatened them? No. We dealt with it by being prepared for the next hunt, and turned it into our own little competition - pull the S/A rank before they could start showing up.