Red Mage could use some help.

[Syrus718]

can people stop calling for changes on classes and jobs that are fine like the Red Mage is fine please stop complaining about it. if you want to compare it to another job then go play that job everybody wants jobs to be the same. somebody parsed me and said you should be doing 4.5 K in this raid not 4.4 for legitimate complaints okay but all this crying I have a problem with it. If it don't apply Let it Fly

[EllieShadeflare]

Except the Red Mage is a significant underperformer, both as a support and as a DPS. It's not exactly a "BAD" thing to want balance, and it's something that any decent game designer strives for.

I mean, if we're the problem for "whining" about a class that has been proven to underperform in all areas, then what does that make you for complaining without anything to add to the topic? Like, no actual arguments or anything beyond "stop wanting things"?

[Zzzlol94]

RDM needs literally nothing. It's between a healer and a DPS in their DPS capabilities, it just so happens that's at the very bottom, where it should be. It's supposed to be a bad DPS and a bad healer. It's a trait of the class that SE won't change. It's also a class that toddlers can play optimally, buffing it would just be dumb.

[Dualgunner]

RDM needs literally nothing. It's between a healer and a DPS in their DPS capabilities, it just so happens that's at the very bottom, where it should be. It's supposed to be a bad DPS and a bad healer. It's a trait of the class that SE won't change. It's also a class that toddlers can play optimally, buffing it would just be dumb.

Just...wow.

Sorry but no. In ffxiv there is no such thing as being "between a dps and a healer." It's a dps full stop. This is an mmo, not a single player rpg.

[Lina_Slayer]

I'll say something I said on one of the BLM threads, the balance changes are way too freaking slow in this game, now RDM and SAM who needed some kind of boost got nothing and will have to wait until 4.3 to maybe get something worth for they to compete, BLM is more than likely not getting enough and will be on the same boat and the broken classes are never nerfed and are OP forever, if we had more consistent balance changes the devs would be able to experiment more since they would be able to tune down something that was overbuffed or boost someone who was overnerfed, the way it is now the top classes never change...

[Zytoryu]

100% this. RDM is probably the least balanced job right now. it does less than Bard DPS, brings less utility than Bard and Summoner, and has less effective mobility than Summoner as well. Summoner does what RedMage does several times better. the only thing a RedMage has over Summoner is quick raises and even that is lackluster considering RedMage's piss poor mana regen.

They need to buff Red Mage's DPS/Utility by a considerable margin and Nerf Summoner overall quite a bit to even them out.
Summoner should never have been allowed to have so much in their kit while remaining so powerful. it literally just breaks the existing casters.

And to all of the people that are going to argue for RedMage's raises being good for prog. That doesn't justify the job being outclassed by every single DPS in the game in every other category.

Here's some visuals if you don't believe me.
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=90

[EllieShadeflare]

100% this. RDM is probably the least balanced job right now. it does less than Bard DPS, brings less utility than Bard and Summoner, and has less effective mobility than Summoner as well. Summoner does what RedMage does several times better. the only thing a RedMage has over Summoner is quick raises and even that is lackluster considering RedMage's piss poor mana regen.

They need to buff Red Mage's DPS/Utility by a considerable margin and Nerf Summoner overall quite a bit to even them out.
Summoner should never have been allowed to have so much in their kit while remaining so powerful. it literally just breaks the existing casters.

And to all of the people that are going to argue for RedMage's raises being good for prog. That doesn't justify the job being outclassed by every single DPS in the game in every other category.

Here's some visuals if you don't believe me.
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=90

This post basically shows why the "But muh progs" argument is not a good point for keeping RDM dps and non-rez utility low.

Because what happens when we are beyond the "let's see what this boss has to offer" phase, and finding our DPS isn't capable of passing the checks? You'll need to switch, and while SOME Red Mages have managed to actually parse decently, RDM is still the most fundamentally broken class in the game, and not in the "PLZ NERF" way.

And here's my thing: I LOVE how Red Mage plays. I HATE that it's so useless right now, and would hinder me harder than playing Black Mage (especially with incoming buffs to BLM).

And the sad thing is, it's not all that hard to boost Red Mage to an acceptable level. A 20-50 potency boost to all spells or a boost to our GCDs and Enchanted Melee attacks and definitely a buff to Embolden, and not locking it to only melee classes and ourselves benefiting from it.

[TraeSnow]

Just...wow.

Sorry but no. In ffxiv there is no such thing as being "between a dps and a healer." It's a dps full stop. This is an mmo, not a single player rpg.

Oh? Because Yoshi himself said that RDM is half white mage, half black mage. Hence why vercure is INT based and they have access to Verraise. Also, even if RDM don't use Vercure, it is still part of their support kit, which takes away from their DPS output. Just because a class doesn't use their support skill, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[EllieShadeflare]

Oh? Because Yoshi himself said that RDM is half white mage, half black mage. Hence why vercure is INT based and they have access to Verraise. Also, even if RDM don't use Vercure, it is still part of their support kit, which takes away from their DPS output. Just because a class doesn't use their support skill, doesn't mean it isn't there.

...Are. Are you trying to seriously trying to use that comment out of context? Because YoshiP has also stated that RDM is a DPS class, with Black and White Magic referring to the fact that in lore, it's a hybrid of Amdapori and Mhachi magic, being able to use Thaumaturgy/Black Magic for Verfire, Verthunder and Verflare as well as Conjury/White Magic for Verstone, Veraero and Verholy. Its Vercure and Verraise are there for flavor and because it's expected from a Red Mage to have an emergency heal and a possible raise.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

RDM needs literally nothing. It's between a healer and a DPS in their DPS capabilities, it just so happens that's at the very bottom, where it should be. It's supposed to be a bad DPS and a bad healer. It's a trait of the class that SE won't change. It's also a class that toddlers can play optimally, buffing it would just be dumb.

Dude, you're the person that wanted to nerf Vercure because RDMs can solo PotD. Nobody is going to take you seriously as far as balance suggestions and for the umpteenth time, the devs already said difficulty of gameplay is not something they balance off of.

Oh? Because Yoshi himself said that RDM is half white mage, half black mage. Hence why vercure is INT based and they have access to Verraise. Also, even if RDM don't use Vercure, it is still part of their support kit, which takes away from their DPS output. Just because a class doesn't use their support skill, doesn't mean it isn't there.

You tried to use general FF lore and then failed miserably by forgetting this is FF14, White Magic is not limited to Cure, Protect/Shell and Esuna. In this game White Magic includes offensive Earth, Air, and Water Magic. By that logic you could argue Red Mage is supposed to be more powerful due to a more wide ranging repertoire of magic.