Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[KaldeaSahaline]

If I happen to play on console or had no desire to download a third party program I would follow the guides and information on internet.

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You answered my question with the statement that prompted me to ask the question in the first place...

Maybe if we asked them to release a parser on mogstation we might get an official one that way.

DELETE this immediately before you give ANYONE ideas.

For Tenacity, that is being misinformed, people do not do that at all. What people do is debate full ten builds vs getting Tenacity on gear and with DH melds basically and making sure you get x tier of Tenacity before going all out in DH, depending on the build it is only 1-3% mitigation for some increase in dps (varies) Tenacity is not really a finished stat, more like beta since it is new anyway.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think you're the one who is misinformed (do you even have a tank leveled?) I don't recall many actually debating tiers of tenacity. I do remember people debating tenacity OR DH as a function of durability vs. damage, with DH winning out almost universally among the raiding community.

You never answered me, what exactly is your main point trying to mislead people parser harassment does not happen?

Please look through my post history. Find me the quote that says parser harassment does not happen. I will wait.

What do you want me to answer? If it's the question you just asked me, I'm not answering that because I cannot. Not only am I not misleading anyone (ironic coming from you), but it's also not an accurate statement.

That'd be like me saying, Hey Beastmistress why is color purple green. See how silly that sounds?

If you want to know my main reason for posting in these threads it is because I fundamentally believe that an unmitigated parser would be a good tool for the community for reasons I have previously stated.

Full public parser will never happen for this game, PERIOD! No matter how much one single person in a vocal minority tries to claim it is not an issue. I find it funny and semi ironic someone being semi-passive aggressive is trying to argue there is no issues with parsers.

I really hate to sound like a broken record, but are you familiar with the concept of irony?

Wanna know why that happens? in WoW you are not in the general average public, where in ffxiv you are putting your self in it. Simple. You do not know WoW's common because you do not put your self in it. Despite this and your list with problems you seen in the general public of FFXIV, you do not see full public parsers making it worse? this is the internet, keep this in mind.

I've already given examples that directly refute this assertion. Please do not make me repeat them. You're welcome to go back to that post and refute them if you can.

This person wants us to believe there will be no abuse, sure others may do what you said but

See above. I will wait for you to find me stating that. The quote you linked did nothing of the sort.

[Awha]

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The whole post was the answer to your question, not just the first sentence. I know my English is bad, but if you read past that one sentence you would know my answer. Sorry about my English but if you are not going to bother to read the whole post please do not bother to quote me. I know my English is not the best and may be hard to understand so I will paste it here again maybe it was lost in the shuffle.

If I happen to play on console or had no desire to download a third party program I would follow the guides and information on internet. Also people have put together decent rotations from just class previews, they are far from perfect and if say SE blocked ACT tomorrow and a new class came out. The theory crafting community with time would come up with an on point rotation. Granted it would take a little more time for the community to come up with said rotation but I am pretty sure they will be able to do it. People are funny like that, if they want something bad enough they will figure it out no matter how long it takes. Parse makes the gathering and viewing of data easier, but I am pretty sure those work on said programs know how to view the data without the use of a parse so in short they would still have access to that data.

End of the day ACT is not going anywhere we will still have access to the tool. I just highly doubt SE will ever release any official means of tracking performance especially after one of their hosts for nico nico was more or less bash their sub-par numbers. Granted it is one case I highly doubt Yoshi-P will be forgetting said case anytime soon. Maybe if powers shift and Yoshi-P is moved to another project we might get an official one, but while he is behind the helm I highly doubt it.

Though to be frank I do not understand your position, you make it seem as if people are asking for the removal of the tools from the game, I do not think I have seen a single post that is asking for the removal of the third party tools. Just lack of desire for an official one. The information is out there, ACT is not going anywhere so theory crafters and guide makers will still be able to do their thing. So what is your position or better yet why do you quote one part of my post even though and frame it as no tool will be available to help people theory craft? I feel as if you are trying to start conflict here where there is none. Point remains adding an official parser may help some, but in the end a quick google search leads people to many guides from players that already did the research. If players pulling say 1500 dps do not bother to use google to get a basic opener and rotation I fail to see how making an official parse will change their mindset and cause them to improve. A parser can help refine play, but not every player needs one to play better. Sure access to that kind of data can help push a player to that next step, but to reach the bare minimum of acceptable performance a guide with rotation and opener coupled with a little practice is all that is needed. If a player wants to go above the data provided by a parser helps. and if said player wants to push that far they will find a means to get that data if it is that important to them.

All and all with Yoshi-P at the helm we will never get an official parser thanks to a few bad apples and the stigma it carries. As someone else mentioned before this is the hill they choose to die on. We will never change that, so let us just use the tools that we have in place since I do not see SE breaking ACT anytime soon.