Glamours made easy - announcement

[Ametrine]

One thing to realize with FFXIV is that the JP player base will have their feedback heard loud and clear, while those of us in other regions need to go through a few translators to get passed on to the correct people. It's often misunderstood as a result. While JP players do have similar thoughts to us, they often have different ideas take off among that community. (IE, vet awards changed mostly from JP players hating the old system.)

Lords or Verminion was a result of a most of us English speaking players not getting the reference to the Lords of Vermilion game, which is closer to the actual minigame we got. We got hung up on the idea of it being a Pokémon-like, and no one from SE realized how widespread the misinformation was and corrected the fanbase.

But, glamour plates are likely a happy medium.I understand that this will make it so you can both keep job glamours seperate, and that covers the largest, most specific complaint our current system has.

[Nezerius]

Well as far as I know everything can be glamoured. Aren't they?

As far as I know, things that can be stored in the armoire, can't be put in the glamour dresser. However, making a glamour plate allows players to use gear stored in the glamour dresser, as well as the armoire.

Or in Bongaboi's case, they could add the Cleric's set to the glamour dresser, but not the Healer's set.

[Krotoan]

I did not say that I wanted Pokemon..I said that people wanted to have a similiar system where they could fight against other people or NPCs using their minions. Yes there is a difference between the opinions of the players but I dont remember seeing anyone even requesting something complicated like LoV and seeing how it was nearly death on arrival this was not something that the majority of the playerbase wanted..

Hindsight is 20/20. Under your refined definition they STILL technically fulfilled what was asked for. Bummer most people didn't like it. Apparently the FFXIV crowd is NOT also mostly into RTS. Finding out people don't like stuff shapes future updates, it cannot retroactively correct old ones.

People also write for years that they dont really like doing Fates and yet instead of giving us something new they gave us Fates on a new place (Diadem) and used all the feedback to give us Diadem 2.0 which was even death faster..nobody asked for RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG so yes it seems that they did not listen there too.

I am not saying that they are doing this to anger us..I am just saying that they seemingly either get the wrong feedback back or read the data in a wrong way. For example people are doing fates because its one of the few ways to level up yet a lot of people complain about it because its not fun. Yet they only take the numbers of people doing fates and somehow read it as people like doing them.

"a lot of people". On the forums. Usually with poorly thought out arguments like "I don't like it so it shouldn't be in the game". We here in the forums are a very vocal minority. Hard numbers like how many people do fates, how many get done a day and which types of fates get done make a convincing argument to put those in new content, I'm glad you understand what their logic train might have been. People have also asked for MORE fates, or to "fix" fates to make them solo-able more often. "They didn't listen to us is very subjective to your perspective. If you were arguing for these things, you'd feel different. I , personally , haven't seen a post that says "I know a lot of fates get done, but that's because it's the only leveling option that's feasible.". What I did see was "GIVE ME MORE STUFF TO DO , WE'RE IN A DROUGHT, IF IT'S GOING TO BE SO SLOW I WANT MY MONEY BACK OR IT SHOULD GO FTP. " This is all very much NOT common consensus but they are loud voices on the forums.

.. all in all you have a reasonable perspective on HOW things get implemented, agreed, but blaming them for following metrics and implementing based on those metrics is going to make you unhappy very often. What else do companies present to their investors and business advisors when making a case to allocate resources for projects?

Also the problem I (and probably others) see with this dresser is that they dont have a good track record of these things in the past. We cant say for sure that they will increase the limit because they promised an increase with apartments and never did it..we also know how long it took them to change anything with housing (if they even change that) so who can say if they will ever introduce a better system than that? In the end this is just another retainer with an limit. A bandaid on the real situation..and over the years I lost my trust in them so I dont remain optimistic that we will get something great and long lasting in the future..maybe they will surprise me but I remain skeptic..

And we already do know how much of it function so we already can give our feedback to it and should be allowed to post about this in the forum. And if a lot of people say that they dont like it then maybe its not that great. And maybe we are just getting tired of bandaids that dont solve the problem on the long run.

They've added more wards (with more apartments!) , and a new area which had apartments. If you're referring to needing more apartments PER ward, we may see that once they feel they cannot add any more wards comfortably, though I have hopes for more housing reform first since they seem to be realizing how important it is to us and how restricted the system is (adding more wards and changing the way that housing is sold is coming and I'm betting WASN'T on the agenda until the mess that was kugane release caused).
The fact you're saying "this is just another retainer" gives the impression you see a new systems similarities to an old system and immediately lump it together. This is more like a bit of the Armoire, with a dash of the glamour system from Squadrons and a new system for smushing several gear set models into ONE that doesn't take up player inventory.

The reason I even respond to this kind of complaint post is I see the attempt being made to give us something that could be great, COULD solve a lot of peoples issues and the forums respond: THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, IT'S STUPID. DO SOMETHING ELSE. before even touching it.

Sure we could use more plates, not even gonna argue that. Sure I could use more inventory alleviation , I already pay for extra retainers and free inventory expansion will ALWAYS be welcome because people are packrats. But expecting every new implementation to solve ALL THE PROBLEMS AT ONCE is a pretty small mark to hit and I've never seen a company do it on the first try.

things we do know:
200 pieces of gear can be converted.
10 Ensembles can be made,
you HAVE to go to an inn for now to make these sets but they can be applied in any non-combat area.
Converting items to the dressers inventory requires a prism per item , but types of prism have been removed. All are just Prisms now.
Applying a Ensemble costs nothing and can be done infinite times.
dye is saved PER ensemble (I did a little research and yes. .per ensemble. Dye it once, apply it forever)


problems I see so far:
200 pieces is low for some people, the same with 10 Ensembles..

that's it.

These are changeable things, this is a workable system that can be built upon.

I'm not saying you CAN'T post on the forum, I hope you don't think I'm trying to limit you, cause really, I'm just another player with an opinion that's likely to be as wrong as anyone else. I would like rational discussion of known issues though. Rejecting something we only have a smattering of knowledge on without trying it is pretty aggravating to me. Just because it doesn't solve all your criteria at once, doesn't mean it can't eventually and should be outright rejected before it's seen and experienced.

[Vstarstruck]

Plates are independent from stats, though. If someone wants their RDM and SMN to look different, who are you to say they don't need that?

Why are people not understanding this?
BLM gear it up with gear that has spell speed on it
SMN/RDM gear this that has DET/CRIT/DH on it
It is 2 different gear sets, has nothing to do with the plates, so when you do this you only NEED ONE PLATE, not TWO, since RDM and SMN has the same gear.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Why are people not understanding this?
BLM gear it up with gear that has spell speed on it
SMN/RDM gear this that has DET/CRIT/DH o n it
It is 2 different ear sets, has nothing to do with the plates, so when you do this you only NEED ONE PLATE, not TWO, since RDM and SMN has the same gear.

So you are telling me that blm share no gear at all with rdm/smn?

You could have worded it better too, because the way you presented it, the system relies on the stats on the gear for number of plates, rather than saying, "Since BLM uses different gear than SMN/RDM, you only need 1 plate to have different glamours for the 3 jobs, to have a different appearance for SMN/RDM. No Plate is needed for BLM".

Makes a lot more sense than what you said.

[Vstarstruck]

So you are telling me that blm share no gear at all with rdm/smn?

You could have worded it better too, because the way you presented it, the system relies on the stats on the gear for number of plates, rather than saying, "Since BLM uses different gear than SMN/RDM, you only need 1 plate to have different glamours for the 3 jobs, to have a different appearance for SMN/RDM. No Plate is needed for BLM".

Makes a lot more sense than what you said.

Explain how I need to word it better, because to me it is the fault of the reader from reading too fast and assuming. If you tried to explain it here, it is not enough detail for me to understand. Honestly what you said is more confusing to me because I explained why you would have different sets as a BLM then SMN/RDM.

[Fynlar]

Yeah uhhh, I am definitely not sold on equipment used as glamours being taken out of your usable inventory. I *use* a lot of the stuff that I currently glamour.

They're definitely going to need to rethink that part, assuming that is how it seems to be described.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah uhhh, I am definitely not sold on equipment used as glamours being taken out of your usable inventory. I *use* a lot of the stuff that I currently glamour.

They're definitely going to need to rethink that part, assuming that is how it seems to be described.

You can still glamour the old way, so keep those pieces out of the dresser

[Alleo]

Well thanks for the info. So you DO need more. Well that sucks. All I can say is that most of the systems start small before blooming into more interesting things. Like the Gold Saucer the company workshops, the squadrons and Palace of the Dead. Hell even treasure hunts.

Listen. I also have things I want from the game. Like races that look less human than the ones we have. Or a far east inspired healer class. Or a fourth mundra. Or intances where we actually see a character bound and gagged and it's not just the tooltip telling us that there are unrendered things on the character models. But I know they will not happen because 1) It can't happen because of budget or the engine. 2) The majority of the community probably does not share my views.

Gold saucer mostly just get new additions while the old ones are barely touched anymore. No new places to race your chocobo for example. Palace of the death still does not have an increase and company workshop will just get the submarine that is Airship 2.0. Housing is a problem for a long time and yet they only react right now (and we dont even know if this will be a good reaction) after the forum exploded in rage. Apartments were meant to be at least some solution to the housing problem and they promised to increase it if they are full and we still did not get that. So no I dont really have much faith left in them. (Its not just the glamour that is creating my negative mood towards them..all the greedy descisions lately are not sitting well with me..like making something single character only..)

Also Glamour is not the only change that I want in this game but imo a glamour log would have given the game more live. People could run old content for glamour and this would have increased the play time. Now for quite some people we just get 200 more slots to place our glamour in. In a game with such a huge amount of glamour options. Its better than nothing but I honestly grow tired of having to be fine with a bandaid. I just dont trust them to create a better system after they put their work in this. And even if they increase the limit in 5.0 to 400 it would still not be enough because then we would have another huge amount of glamour with the expansion.

I would be fine if they said that they need the time till 5.0 to create a true and unlimited glamour log..I am not fine with this system. I mean they gave us just the half of the inventory increase at the start of SB because they feared what it would do to the system if we got the whole increase..yet till now we did not get the other half so for me the chocobo saddles are nice but in the end are just the rest of the promised inventory space.

Honestly if not much changes in 5.0 I will probably stop playing this game (which would be sad because I do like it) because for me glamour is one of the biggest reason to even run battle content..without a true glamour log I either have to buy even more retainers or throw old stuff away (or not gain new things). So a big part of the game would be unplayable for me so why still pay for it? (And glamour is not the only part that annoys me but the biggest one...that they could change for the better with a true log)

I am not alone with this. I have a friend that loves FF. They buy a lot of the FF merchandise and they own all possible retainers in this game...he is getting more and more frustated with it because he loves collection glamour and he simply does not have the space to store them. A few more negative things and I am not sure if he just will stop playing it.

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@Krotoan: They had much more aparments planned when they talked about it but only released like half of the amount..yet promised that they would increase the numbers if they are full. Quite some bigger servers were sold out quite fast..yet we never saw an increase in the old apartments.

The forum might be the minority but seemingly the housing release of Shirogane was such a huge rage that they finally choose to do something about it. (And said that they were surprised that this happened...like seriously? How can you be surprised?)

Not all people are just posting: GIMME MORE without any reasons. I have posted more than once about the housing problem with solutions and we have posted more than once that we want features in a certain way. Comparing features to other games is quite a big hint how the writer wants it.

I compare it with a retainer because next to the ensembles it just simply that. You get 200 more slots to put an glamour item into this. Just like an retainer you need to go there to get the stuff. The only change is that you can now create ensembles for different jobs which might be a nice change but also nothing more than that. Lets look at Rifts glamour system: When I get loot I can already see if I owned it once or not and if I dont need it as gear I can throw it away because it will be registered in their glamour log without the need to put the item somewhere. Now they have ensembles too which you can change everywhere. Also if you get a new piece of gear your glamour will not change because glamour and gear are different slots. If you want to change your glamour you just click on the ensemble you want or you just click on the glamour slot and then you can click on any item you ever got. No matter which job it was. With one click you have the new glamour on. You get achievements for owning whole sets, you can change with a click and everywhere you want, you will not lose the gear if you put it in there but you also dont need to keep it because its automatically there and you can see what is still missing. Yes the glamour items are way less in Rift than in FF14 but its also a F2P game.

Its just a shame (imo) that a game that uses so much glamour still is way inferior to a game that does not even focus on glamour..and instead of just doing it right and create a system that is unlimited they go the complicated route with a system that they need to constantly touch if they change it...and that limits the user in such a way. I am fine if we can only access the glamour log in certain places if its at least a true glamour log..If they do decide to create a true log then that just means that they threw away all the time and budget on that dresser system because with a good log we would not need that anymore..so sadly the only thing that I can see with that is an increase of ensembles and the limit..and who knows how often they will increase that..

[Balipu]

You can still glamour the old way, so keep those pieces out of the dresser

THIS.

The whole point of the glamour dresser is to not force you to drag along items that you only need for their looks. It is not a replacement of the old system. It is there to complement it.