An Alternative? to parsers..

[KaivaC]

If you want to challenge my right to share my opinion then I have only one question for you: Who the hell do you think you are?

Well, if you couldn't tell from my profile picture, and the name of my lovely character and my forum name, I am Kaiva Cordodan. Xaela. Siren homebody. And...

Ohhhhh....

You mean who am I to challenge your right to make an opinion? Well I can answer that easily. It doesn't make much sense if the content we are discussing doesn't really even involve you in the first place.

[akaneakki]

And for the savage/ex thing, I have already said that I don't care if they implement parsers there. Just not in duty finder.

That's all we want. And 1 more thing, I do suggest people to try get better everywhere else first before doing savage. Going for afk play almost into paying attention 90% of the time is a huge gap. I'm pretty sure we both agree there.

[Erik501]

Well, if you couldn't tell from my profile picture, and the name of my lovely character and my forum name, I am Kaiva Cordodan. Xaela. Siren homebody. And...

Ohhhhh....

You mean who am I to challenge your right to make an opinion? Well I can answer that easily. It doesn't make much sense if the content we are discussing doesn't really even involve you in the first place.

However it does when you are not the only one in this forum and many other people want a parser as well in the content that I actually do. See? I know it might sound somewhat strange but, yes, there are other people with their own ideas. Who would have thought about it!!!

[RiyahArp]

Do you know why skip soar was a thing? Because people couldn't do the mechanic..

No, because raiders wanted to single heal zurvan to farm him, and you needed to skip soar to have the DPS to be able to do fast farm runs and be able to do so. You can do the mechanic if you practice it enough; but once people cleared they didn't want to practice it or do it the slow way; they wanted high dps and soar was an easy sign of it. It became a meme because of that; the JP actually didn't skip soar as their base strat and beat him fine.

You mean who am I to challenge your right to make an opinion? Well I can answer that easily. It doesn't make much sense if the content we are discussing doesn't really even involve you in the first place.

people here are asking to change content for everyone else based on their desires in savage, its fair to have an opinion on that. Especially if it involves making content harder; that wont affect the savage players as much as the casuals.

[Erik501]

That's all we want. And 1 more thing, I do suggest people to try get better everywhere else first before doing savage. Going for afk play almost into paying attention 90% of the time is a huge gap. I'm pretty sure we both agree there.

Yes, finally we find ground for agreement, completely. Thank you.

[akaneakki]

No, because raiders wanted to single heal zurvan to farm him, and you needed to skip soar to have the DPS to be able to do fast farm runs and be able to do so. Y

I've seen ONLY 1 or 2 solo heal farm groups and some couldn't even skip zurvan, did those 1 solo healer zurvan groups exist alot of? Nope, I was playing very very actively around that time too. Ofc if you farm a fight you should be avaible to be confident enough to do it faster and more effective, pushing your damage etc, that's why it's called farm. Some people who wanted to farm couldn't do the mecahnics and that's why many expected it to be skipped. I can legit say back then 3 out of 8 players in most groups couldn't do it right and we wiped. But JP players actually RESPECT their fellow members. They use most of the time PF to practice and DF to kill or was it the opposite? I forgot. Anyways, they are more respectful towards others, while on this side of the world we have too many players who don't give a damn. You see it still today, people say farm and barely know how to perform the fight. They expect too much of others but we can't do the same.

[KaivaC]

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And as you can see, I have not made any positive comments about putting the parser in the DF, because there is no reason for people to be parsing in regular dungeons, unless they just want to fill out their numbers and have a bunch of logs for the sake of having them (also in premades.) My issue from your argument stems from saying no to parsers entirely due to past experiences. It's fine if you don't want it to be outside of Savage/Ex. I don't want them to be used outside of that, because there's really no good reason to parse a regular dungeon run.

[RiyahArp]

I've seen ONLY 1 or 2 solo heal farm groups and some couldn't even skip zurvan

The thing is, it doesn't even have to be in reality. It can be perception. Everyone was like "omg, its not hard, just do a basic opener" and yet from the sheer salt apparently 75% of people who did ex trials failed at doing a basic opener. Its like ice mages; I've been playing this game for nigh on 3 years now and I've never even seen one, yet its the go to example whenevr ppl talk about bad dps.

[Erik501]

And as you can see, I have not made any positive comments about putting the parser in the DF, because there is no reason for people to be parsing in regular dungeons, unless they just want to fill out their numbers and have a bunch of logs for the sake of having them (also in premades.) My issue from your argument stems from saying no to parsers entirely due to past experiences. It's fine if you don't want it to be outside of Savage/Ex. I don't want them to be used outside of that, because there's really no good reason to parse a regular dungeon run.

So I guess we could have avoided all of this pointless back and forth because we were agreeing from the begining. Maybe I should have clarified it in the first two paragraphs of my post instead of the last two ones. My bad.

[KaivaC]

So I guess we could have avoided all of this pointless back and forth because we were agreeing from the begining. Maybe I should have clarified it in the first two paragraphs of my post instead of the last two ones. My bad.

It's the forums, as Riyah mentioned in another thread I'm in. It's cool. I can be quite passive aggressive in the heat of the moment No worries...I'm actually enjoying the debate. We're all passionate about FFXIV.