Community: The Biggest Loss of 4.0 PvP

[Squintina]

You said you learned to PvP from someone dueling with you, and that community is what you make of it, yes? First, what stopped you from learning back in 3.x? I taught the person quoted and many others back in 3.x. Someone taught me. What made you not try then?

I don't see the relevance of this question. I in no way said or implied that 4.X provided to me something 3.X couldn't. I only said that you could still have a community in 4.X.
The reason I didn't try it in 3.X? My time was limited back then and I played about once a week so I spent all that time on MSQ. Had nothing to do with versions.

When I did have more time to play, and I found out that pvp gave exp, I decided to try it. YES, I am one of those "exp people", but once I saw how much I sucked I asked for advice. I read a bit on what the game modes actually expected of me. I even hooked up my mouse because I play pve on controller and I found it annoying for RW with all its alliances to try to heal with the d-pad. Will I ever be one of those serious pvpers trying to rank top in the Feast? Probably not, but that doesn't stop me from actually trying and having fun while also getting that sweet exp. There are exp people who do try.

except we can't when we can't chat and give advice to help people in the Feast

I'll agree with you on that one, lack of Feast chat sucks. FL and RW still have it. Last I checked though the reason Feast chat was removed was because people complained that the pvp community was too toxic. So it sounds like your old community also had some big negatives. Maybe the people who used to receive that toxicity might feel a little differently about this change than you do (no I wasn't one of them).

Or when an entire other alliance is filled with bots. Or when the majority of your team just gives up and wants to wait for their precious XP that they were only there for in the first place. Or when many of the veteran players have literally just walked away from PvP, if not the game entirely.

While I didn't try pvp in 3.X, and I will openly admit to that, I've always been a voracious forum-er and I definitely remember people complaining about not having enough people in pvp. PVP community has to make up its mind. It either wants people who are serious or more people. SE will never find a way to bring more serious pvp-ers, that's just not how the general population is. That being said the serious players can still have a community. They can make LS, make groups, and try to educate the newer people who actually might give pvp a chance on how to become better. Yes a lot of people go for exp, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't try if someone actually attempted to make them better (and not just telling them that they suck and need to git gud).

I've seen some serious people (in 4.X) try their best to lead other people to victory. They engage, explain things during the 1 min prep, and provide guidance along the way. Some people don't listen, that's just how it goes, but you might be surprised at the amount of casual people who will listen and try (and fail because they're still quite new to pvp, but at least they tried)