Disciple of Magic plate armor

[Nezerius]

You seem to be under the impression that if the items weren't on the cash shop we'd have them ingame for free.

Keeping to the person you first quoted, who had quoted part of the OP talking about selling reskins of tank gear that can be used on casters.

Yes, they would still be free in-game, since they already are. All they'd have to do is allow more jobs to equip them, which isn't some huge development thing (although it will require a patch to apply the change to the server).

[Jandor]

SE is a business, they exist to make money. How does making it easy for them benefit me though? The harder they have to work for my money, the better the product I'm getting will be.

[Krotoan]

Keeping to the person you first quoted, who had quoted part of the OP talking about selling reskins of tank gear that can be used on casters.

Yes, they wouldstill be free in-game, since they already are. All they'd have to do is allow more jobs to equip them, which isn't some huge development thing (although it will require a patch to apply the change to the server).

That set would be there, sure. Even the recolor possibly. but other things: mounts, eddas dress, the far eastern dress. All of those likely would never have seen the light of day. I'm speaking of the Cash Shop only items there.

SE is a business, they exist to make money. How does making it easy for them benefit me though? The harder they have to work for my money, the better the product I'm getting will be.

That's an odd take. Making it "easy" in the sense of presenting why it would benefit them to implement your idea would make it more likely they would. If you just say "I want this.. make it happen somehow" it's much less likely to catch someone's eye and even less likely to be presented to someone who can make decisions. I'm not sure how making it harder improves the end result.

[Jandor]

Oops, forgot to say. Maybe not full tin-can sets but some light/medium style plate armor for casters would be sweet!

Edit:

That's an odd take. Making it "easy" in the sense of presenting why it would benefit them to implement your idea would make it more likely they would. If you just say "I want this.. make it happen somehow" it's much less likely to catch someone's eye and even less likely to be presented to someone who can make decisions. I'm not sure how making it harder improves the end result.

I mean in a general sense, not for this or anyone elses specific idea. The goal for SE is to part us from our money, the easier we make it do this, the less time/effort/funds they'll put in to achieve that goal.

That said, I don't want them implementing ideas based on how many players promised to pay extra for them anyway. I want them implementing ideas based on merit, the business case for it being that the better the game is the more people will be willing to buy it and stick with it.

[SokiYagami]

Rampart, Sheltron, Sentinel, Bulwark, Divine Veil, Passage of Arms, Hallowed Ground

...sorry, I know I'm being rude and sarcastic, but I couldn't resist.

All business organizations are greedy, and rightfully so, as their main objective is to earn money. Just don't try to pretend that they aren't. If your responds in this thread isn't the textbook definition of white knighting, I don't know what is.

Let me put it this way, consider the basic glamour to the act of charging a phone. Basic functionality, yes? Now let's say the customer is requesting for fast charging or wireless charging. That's an additional feature, which usually comes with an additional price tag. I believe most people will agree with it, or simply skip it if they have no use for it. Some might argue that if it's an industry standard to have said feature when the product cost falls within a certain price range, then it should be included without any additional cost, but let's just ignore that for the sake of simplicity. This additional feature is equivalent to glamour wardrobe (commode), isolated glamour overlay (ensembles) and kupo store glamour.

Still with me? Good. Now when you're questioning other player's reasoning when they disagree to paying more money in order to unlock job restrictions for existing glamours, that's akin to saying customer should pay extra for an "additional" (lol) feature where the phone's (already existing) LED indicator will turn a different color (or any other method using already existing hardware/software combination) to notify you that your phone is fully charged, which is a basic feature that should already be included in the first place.

Sure, attempting to throw money might get SE's attention to change the issue, but where will the bottom line be? If one day we have to pay ten cent for every single time we summon the retainer, are you still going to say that it's fine because you have pocket cash to blow on the game and that the monthly sub is simply for you to access the game? Am I being ridiculous? Sure hell I am! But that's about the same as what your past couple post sounds (imo) with some healthy serving of exaggeration and sarcasm.

TL;DR: if you're ordering a burger takeaway from a restaurant and all they give you is a piece of tissue to hold the burger, you reserve all rights to request for a simple paper wrapper/box to contain the burger and a bag to carry the burger in without paying extra for it.

But I'm sure we won't be able to see eye to eye, so let's just simply agree to disagree. I'll bid thee farewell, Sir-Krotoan.

[Derio]

Well if they make enough money then the third expansion might be double the cost of stormblood which was double the cost of Heavensward.

[Jandor]

Well if they make enough money then the third expansion might be double the cost of stormblood which was double the cost of Heavensward.

This was never confirmed.

The basis of the rumour was apparently a Japanese financial report regarding 'the next expansion' with no breakdown of where the money was going.

[Krotoan]

INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF SARCASM AND CONDESCENSION

That was pretty unnecessary and no.. that's not OK.
It's apparent you don't know what white knighting is.
It's apparent you think you're clever.
.. what was the point of posting if you're not going to even consider any possible response? A gotcha? Backing up a friend I'm unaware you have in this thread?
Your examples of industry standards and falsely equivalent comparisons sound (self admittedly) exaggerated and antagonistic. Perhaps this is just how you type.

I never said they weren't greedy. I actually stated they were out for money and any appeal to any moral reason was futile or at least highly unlikely to elicit change.

The bottom line? The day it costs too much. You stop paying when the value is not worth the cost.

The original disagreement if you can even call it that was questioning why there is such a negative response when anyone even MENTIONS dropping a little extra coin to have what they want implemented.
Would I personally pay for that? .. Probably not. It's not that important to me. But instantly chiming in with "REAL MONEY CHARGE! BLAH! NO~~!" gets old really fast.

SE is a company and no more deserving of my loyalty and/or defense than the company that built my car. They made something I enjoy and can see the value for what I pay. Though I wonder at those who pay a subscription KNOWING what the game currently entails and continually demand MORE for the same amount of money. Your metaphorical burger should come with the paper bag and wrapper sure, but the onions and bacon are extra. Interesting choice of comparison as well since where I live a decent burger meal costs about what a subscription to FFXIV does. It's a paltry sum for a months worth of entertainment and from my perspective people blow far more money on far more fleeting amusements all the time. Perhaps I just am not expecting all that much since it seems so cheap.

It is unlikely that we will see eye to eye yes, but copping out and preemptively ending the conversation without hearing the other side is not just rude, it's cowardly and childish.

[PartyMcfly]

muh slippery slope

Yeah, before you know it they're gonna let you buy Omega (savage) lootboxes too. If you've paid attention to the mogstation in the past year, you'd know this is all inevitable. Look at all the people wearing Lyse and Yshtola sets while using the /prettyplease emote. Like I've said once before, I might as well ask for something I'd actually want to buy since they clearly have no intention of adding decent plate armor sets to exist in game already.

[ErryK]

It's just vanity, guys...