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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You can argue, but you'd be wrong. There isn't a "trade for service" function in the game, those are player-made agreements.
    The only situation where I've seen GMs intervene in such agreements is when it comes to crafting comissions (when the provider refuses to deliver / scams the client).

    It doesn't apply to run-selling - if the game was intended to be played like that, there'd be a bot players could pay X amount of gil to have content completed / earn rewards.
    And! There are such similar systems in place already (like trading the weekly alliance raid reward for upgrade parts). The very reason they added savage on the side was so players could experience the story, while others get to participate in more difficult content. What's the purpose of that when you're allowing people to skip that as well?
    So, the game was supposed to be played by having someone else level your crafters for you then? Because run-selling is pretty much excatly like leveling-kit-selling: Someone else does all the hard work, you just collect the reward withour understanding a thing. Why is that okay (as long as no one get scammed) but run-selling isnt?

    If people want to skip that or dont want to take the challenge on themselves, thats their choice. No one is "allowing" them to skip that, they're finding a way for themselves to do so. If someone doesnt want that challenge and destroy it for themself: Let them. Why is it bothering you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    This is coming from someone who doesn't even do high-tier raiding (or who does so very rarely). I'm not even a part of the players that bust their nuts getting good at the game and completing really difficult content - and even I can see this is a blatant misuse of the system.

    But even then, I can stay quiet (even if I don't like it), except groups are now selling this content for actual money.
    And even -if- you wanted to do the whole argument of "what about glamour!" well, just because it's also scummy it doesn't make this particular activity any less dirty. Because it is. And the only reason it bothers you is because this is your source of gil.
    The real money thing is wrong, yes.

    In game money only? Cant see the real problem with that.

    Also... I'm a mastercrafter. My source of gil is selling endgame gear on the marketboard. I got involved in one T9 sell by accident once - someone had asked me to help out without mentioning it was a sell-run. I returned the gil to the buyer as soon as I got it.
    I'm not a fan of run-selling, but I can see that raiders need/want to earn their gil just as much as crafters. And if someone doesnt want to achieve those clears by themself, who am I to judge?
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    Last edited by Vidu; 01-08-2018 at 11:45 PM.