It's about time the GMs or devs respond to the RMT going on in the PF

[Dustytome]

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

The ad says payment is through paypal using USD. Clear as day that this isn't allowed. Did you make a report?

If they posted a link to that ad anywhere in game I would hope so, but the only thing in game that was listed from the original post was discord info. While it may match, the GMs have no way to verify that the same account posted that image, anyone could have made it to frame people. The only thing the GMs can absolutely verify is the resources they control in game (chat logs and such).

[Jijifli]

It's so 50/50 on if it get any action at all or not.

Someone in a fit of losing an argument reported my friend for RMT activity and she got a 3 day suspension so they could "investigate" the report. But other times it feels like they just ignore the obvious paypal parties in the finder.

[Eight]

There really isn't anything against selling runs (unless it's for real money) although that already happens. I suggested they add a recruitment tab to PF at least these things won't clog up the actual sections for runs. Also any person selling Ultimate Bahamut is gonna be asking for real money since they will most likely ask for access to your account to take your character through it because 7 people can't carry through that fight so it would be idiotic to even consider that.

[Odstarva]

But selling runs is totally unrelated with RMT, right guys>

[ErryK]

But selling runs is totally unrelated with RMT, right guys>

Isn't this just as bad as saying everyone who parses is an elitist?

[Vidu]

But selling runs is totally unrelated with RMT, right guys>

Just as related as expensive items (rare drops, endgame crafts) on the marketboard are, I'd say?
The product or service purchased with gil isnt the problem - if the gil came from non-legit means, thats the problem.

I've gotten the impression that the argument "run selling is promoting RMT" is most often used by people who dont like run selling...

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Just as related as expensive items (rare drops, endgame crafts) on the marketboard are, I'd say?
The product or service purchased with gil isnt the problem - if the gil game from non-legit means, thats the problem.

I've gotten the impression that the argument "run selling is promoting RMT" is most often used by people who dont like run selling...

Yes, but how likely is it that someone with 1 level 70 and no crafters or gatherers is going to have 100+mil for run purchases by legitimate means. And any content sales that require paypal ARE RMT. You could even argue that people are making the game P2W

[Vidu]

Yes, but how likely is it that someone with 1 level 70 and no crafters or gatherers is going to have 100+mil for run purchases by legitimate means. And any content sales that require paypal ARE RMT. You could even argue that people are making the game P2W

Well, how likely is it that such a person has 15 millions to purchase some of the new glamour-gear we got with the last patch? (At least its 15-25 millions for that gear on my server atm)
Or 20 million for the Black Pegasus? Or 50 million for the Shiba-pet (I saw some getting sold for that amount - it has since dropped to the more reasonable but still high price of 4-5 mil)?

I'm not arguing that the current trend of selling runs for real money isnt wrong and worrying - however legit run sells (aka: sells purchased by gil or, for all I care, other trade-offs ingame using ingame currency/means) shouldnt be blamed and blanted statments like "Run selling is (always) RMT or promotes RMT" dont sit right with me. Because you can argue that expensive items on the marketboard promote RMT just as much as run sells do since no one without level 70 crafters can possibly have the gil to pay for those things.

[Odstarva]

You can argue, but you'd be wrong. There isn't a "trade for service" function in the game, those are player-made agreements.
The only situation where I've seen GMs intervene in such agreements is when it comes to crafting comissions (when the provider refuses to deliver / scams the client).

It doesn't apply to run-selling - if the game was intended to be played like that, there'd be a bot players could pay X amount of gil to have content completed / earn rewards.
And! There are such similar systems in place already (like trading the weekly alliance raid reward for upgrade parts). The very reason they added savage on the side was so players could experience the story, while others get to participate in more difficult content. What's the purpose of that when you're allowing people to skip that as well?


This is coming from someone who doesn't even do high-tier raiding (or who does so very rarely). I'm not even a part of the players that bust their nuts getting good at the game and completing really difficult content - and even I can see this is a blatant misuse of the system.

But even then, I can stay quiet (even if I don't like it), except groups are now selling this content for actual money.
And even -if- you wanted to do the whole argument of "what about glamour!" well, just because you can find more forms of RMT it doesn't make this particular activity any less dirty (or less guilty). Because it is. And the only reason it bothers you is because this is your source of gil.

[Tint]

I'm not arguing that the current trend of selling runs for real money isnt wrong and worrying - however legit run sells (aka: sells purchased by gil or, for all I care, other trade-offs ingame using ingame currency/means) shouldnt be blamed and blanted statments like "Run selling is (always) RMT or promotes RMT" dont sit right with me. Because you can argue that expensive items on the marketboard promote RMT just as much as run sells do since no one without level 70 crafters can possibly have the gil to pay for those things.

yes, expenisve items on the market board promote RMT. housing promotes RMT. and kill sellers promote RMT.

just because there is more than kill selling wich promotes RMT, doesn't make kill selling (for gil) any better in that regard.