Well, there was 3.0 BRD and now 4.0 BRD. . . That's kinda my remaining hope for PvP in this game. I hope that they listen to the longtime PvPers (or the fact that many of them no longer wanted to play) and make the needed changes to find a happy balance between what was good about 3.x PvP, and what good aspects there are with 4.x PvP.