Eight Fixes to Make These Changes Good.

[Alerith]

Ranged Auto Attack mean that Archer's will have to do either a: Significantly less damage or b: significantly slower damage. Both are not worth while in exchange for no longer having the ability to shoot strategically. If they leave Archer Attacks at their current power they will be pulling hate constantly and dropping out of combat isn't really a reasonable solution for that.

I'm sorry, but archers won't pull hate with auto-attacks alone. They simply don't shoot fast enough to justify your concerns. You're acting like their current power level is so ungodly high that making their ranged attacks automatic would break them again.

[Corrderio]

I'm sorry, but archers won't pull hate with auto-attacks alone. They simply don't shoot fast enough to justify your concerns. You're acting like their current power level is so ungodly high that making their ranged attacks automatic would break them again.

Exactly. Maybe if you go nuts and use Multishot and that other nock ability to go nuts you might pull hate. But there's no way in hell a ranged AA is going to hurt an archer.

[Rentahamster]

It is easy to see how these changes will effect the overall performance of any given class and their balance in combat.

No, it's not that easy to see since there is still a LOT of stuff we do not know about the rest of the game. There are more things we don't know than we do know.

Case in point:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/25018-Can-you-PLEASE-STOP-NERFING-MARAUDER-!-!

For the most part all the pre-patch theorycrafting and complaining on these forums has turned out to be wrong more than right.

The only thing we ever really predicted accurately was that Thaumaturge and Archer were gonna get nerfed, since that was so glaringly obvious.

Not so say that you shouldn't voice your opinion. You should. Just don't dismiss others' opinions so casually, especially when so many people are saying the same thing to you.

[Kiote]

Exactly. Maybe if you go nuts and use Multishot and that other nock ability to go nuts you might pull hate. But there's no way in hell a ranged AA is going to hurt an archer.

Apparently, you have failed to notice, you no longer have those abilities on archer. They cannot be implemented in an Auto Attack system. If you try to nock extra arrows they will be fired off automatically.

[Kiote]

No, it's not that easy to see since there is still a LOT of stuff we do not know about the rest of the game. There are more things we don't know than we do know.

Case in point:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/25018-Can-you-PLEASE-STOP-NERFING-MARAUDER-!-!

For the most part all the pre-patch theorycrafting and complaining on these forums has turned out to be wrong more than right.

The only thing we ever really predicted accurately was that Thaumaturge and Archer were gonna get nerfed, since that was so glaringly obvious.

Not so say that you shouldn't voice your opinion. You should. Just don't dismiss others' opinions so casually, especially when so many people are saying the same thing to you.

I have not dismissed anyone's opinion. I have in fact already retracted my stance on the lancer overhauls because someone made a reasonable claim in their favor. I have simply defended my opinions. Most of these people who have argued against me have blatantly dismissed the possibility that any of these changes could have significant negative effects.

The point of this thread was to point out specific class changes that I believe in my opinion will do more harm than good. Most people who have commented against me have only done so with insults. Very few people have argued for a specific change.

Finally, right or wrong is irrelevant. The point of this forum is to discuss possibilities. If something might be bad, we need to bring that concern to the attention of the development team. Trolling every person who brings up a possible negative repercussion will not help. You have to have rational discussion to trade information. We are not argue to be right or wrong, w are arguing to make our thought known.

[Buddhsie]

Ranged Auto Attack mean that Archer's will have to do either a: Significantly less damage or b: significantly slower damage. Both are not worth while in exchange for no longer having the ability to shoot strategically. If they leave Archer Attacks at their current power they will be pulling hate constantly and dropping out of combat isn't really a reasonable solution for that.

How is it not a reasonable solution? The only thing we're talking about here is being able to attack at will, and auto attack doesn't change that. All that's changing is that you don't need to press a button to shoot every damn shot, which is a welcome change to me. If you're taking hate on ARC you need to have a word with your tank, any class can go without holding back and not steal hate.

[Alerith]

Apparently, you have failed to notice, you no longer have those abilities on archer. They cannot be implemented in an Auto Attack system. If you try to nock extra arrows they will be fired off automatically.

This is a prime example of why you need to experience a system before you knock it. (Pun totally intended.)

IF auto-attack is based on a toggle, you could toggle it off, knock your arrows, then commence fire again.
Or knocked arrows could be "stored" and not used until you fire off another skill.

Or the best option is an auto-attack like the melee's have. They have auto attack, then they have regular physical attacks on their skill bar. Your auto-attack could fire, and you can still have Light Shot on your skill bar for knocked arrows.

My point is, WHO KNOWS? You don't and I don't. The Devs do.

[Viridiana]

Ranged Auto Attack mean that Archer's will have to do either a: Significantly less damage or b: significantly slower damage. Both are not worth while in exchange for no longer having the ability to shoot strategically. If they leave Archer Attacks at their current power they will be pulling hate constantly and dropping out of combat isn't really a reasonable solution for that.

Bullshit. There's no way you're going to pull aggro just from auto attack. There's absolutely no reason you should ever pull aggro, especially not from auto attack. Learn how to play your class, and stop making comments like this. . .

[grandm]

no other class would pull the hate off the tank with just auto attack. so why would the archer?

[Claire_Pendragon]

The only problem I have, is the lack of 0 cost abilities (for TP building etc.)
Because Honestly, going back to old AA bored the living P*ss out of me.
I was "almost" ready to go back to Quit status, until I hit Lv30, and had all 3 of them on my bar.
Suddenly the game felt fun and every new ability felt like i was progressing, and getting to have more fun.
I could be wrong, but It "seemed" like the 0 cost abilities were removed. (Would have to triple check again to be sure, as this just came to mind.)