The Journey - Is It Still Wanted?

[vax]

So many masochists in this thread, too many people getting nostalgic and forgetting how terrible leveling was before Aht Urghan expansion. I never felt accomplished in that game, it was more like "god finally I'm done with this bs, now for the boring merit parties ugh" or "finally after months I got this 1 drop, so ridiculous".

Stop playing mmorpg. People like you are killing ffxiv.

[Hanemakikaze]

Stop playing mmorpg. People like you are killing ffxiv.

Lol Please explain how I'm "killing" this game when I support it? Please explain how me not liking XI after playing that bs for 5 years is killing this game? Go on, please explain to me how me not liking wanting to party after I get off work instead of waiting around being forced to either do something else or not play has anything to do with killing FFXIV? You could also explain to me how not wanting to wait 5+ months to receive 1 item from an easy to kill HNM due to all the botting LSs is killing FFXIV. Please, before you run your mouth you should probably ask why I think the way I do.

And everyone say MMO is not for me? Give me a break, because I have a different opinion of your beloved XI I need to stop playing mmos? This forum is just full of lols lately. You know what I want? I want progress, not a step back in the same direction, you people need to chill out & realize the majority doesn't want the same old grind fest. And people claiming XI took strategy in exp parties before Aht Urghan? Pull > Debuff> skillchain > kill. Yeah, some strategy there. You know the difference after that expansion? Pull > WS> Kill > faster exp, everyones happy.

[elreed]

Lol Please explain how I'm "killing" this game when I support it? Please explain how me not liking XI after playing that bs for 5 years is killing this game? Go on, please explain to me how me not liking wanting to party after I get off work instead of waiting around being forced to either do something else or not play has anything to do with killing FFXIV? You could also explain to me how not wanting to wait 5+ months to receive 1 item from an easy to kill HNM due to all the botting LSs is killing FFXIV. Please, before you run your mouth you should probably ask why I think the way I do.

And everyone say MMO is not for me? Give me a break, because I have a different opinion of your beloved XI I need to stop playing mmos? This forum is just full of lols lately. You know what I want? I want progress, not a step back in the same direction, you people need to chill out & realize the majority doesn't want the same old grind fest. And people claiming XI took strategy in exp parties before Aht Urghan? Pull > Debuff> skillchain > kill. Yeah, some strategy there. You know the difference after that expansion? Pull > WS> Kill > faster exp, everyones happy.

you're right in one thing, people doesnt want to grind all the time to get to a certain level, but what i wouldnt like is to have an easy mode to get stuff, not in a way were you get bs drop rate but in a way that you need to make an effort, many people says that WoW is still alive and all but the thing that killed that game for me was how they made the items drop system, as a normal MMO you had some rare and difficult items but you had too pseudo best pieces of gear, so even casuals got bored quickly, because even that they didnt played the game that much they had all in a few days because of the trade seal for gear system, so all items became obsolete every 2-4 months.

In the opposite side was XI where in order to get something decent you had to invest a lot of time even leave things from RL because you had to be for an NM killing at 3am, and if you missed it you had to wait 36 hrs, so in a few words i want something in between where you have to work your way trough but not that much to be impossible for the majority, im a casual semi hardcore player so i know when people says that they dont have that much time to invest to the game and want to be rewarded, i want items to last longer like 1 year or every expansion and even with an expansion those items are still very useful, so at the end everyone is happy because people have something to focus and are rewarded according to they efforts.

[Frein]

And people claiming XI took strategy in exp parties before Aht Urghan? Pull > Debuff> skillchain > kill. Yeah, some strategy there. You know the difference after that expansion? Pull > WS> Kill > faster exp, everyones happy.

Let's try this again, shall we?

Pre ToAU
Group composition: Tank, healer, 4x support/damage (one is also puller)
The action chain we get is: Pull > Manage mob positioning > Manage hate > Coordinate WS for SC and MB
If we add a THF or /THF we also add the action of Manage player positioning.

Post ToAU
Group composition: 1x healer/support hybrid, 5x support/damage (one is also puller, black mages not allowed)
The action chain we get is: Pull > Spam WS with impunity
There is zero need for any kind of coordination. You don't even have to pay attention to what the rest of the group is doing.

Fast exp is nice when it's a reward for excellence. When it's just given to you on a silver platter because the game is designed that way, you may as well eliminate the leveling process entirely, which is exactly what you seem to want. So, why exactly do you torture yourself by playing MMORPGs?

[Hanemakikaze]

Let's try this again, shall we?

Pre ToAU
Group composition: Tank, healer, 4x support/damage (one is also puller)
The action chain we get is: Pull > Manage mob positioning > Manage hate > Coordinate WS for SC and MB
If we add a THF or /THF we also add the action of Manage player positioning.

Post ToAU
Group composition: 1x healer/support hybrid, 5x support/damage (one is also puller)
The action chain we get is: Pull > Spam WS with impunity
There is zero need for any kind of coordination. You don't even have to pay attention to what the rest of the group is doing.

Fast exp is nice when it's a reward for excellence. When it's just given to you on a silver platter because the game is deigned that way, you may as well eliminate the leveling process entirely, which is exactly what you seem to want. So, why exactly do you torture yourself by playing MMORPGs?

K, please show me where I say anywhere that I want game handed to me. Also I dunno what game you were playing but yeah, you needed a tank for birds AND Crawlers unless you were far over its level or on equal grounds. Meaning, when people first enter there, which was around 56 if i remember, there's no way you're getting effective exp without a tank. You could not do what you're saying under well in the mid to late 60s which is damn close to be capped anyway so you've "experienced" everything already. And I'm torturing myself how exactly, take a deep breath and go look back and read where it says I quit XI then come back and finish what you're trying to say. Because I'm pretty damn sure this game is nothing like XI.

[Frein]

K, please show me where I say anywhere that I want game handed to me.

Here:

I never felt accomplished in that game, it was more like "god finally I'm done with this bs, now for the boring merit parties ugh"...

Also I dunno what game you were playing but yeah, you needed a tank for birds AND Crawlers unless you were far over its level or on equal grounds. Meaning, when people first enter there, which was around 56 if i remember, there's no way you're getting effective exp without a tank. You could not do what you're saying under well in the mid to late 60s which is damn close to be capped anyway so you've "experienced" everything already. And I'm torturing myself how exactly, take a deep breath and go look back and read where it says I quit XI then come back and finish what you're trying to say. Because I'm pretty damn sure this game is nothing like XI.

IIRC colibri hit like wet towels and died seconds after the first WS landed. The "tank" you needed wasn't much more than an initial voker. Also, at 72 when Utsusemi: Ni became subbable, you didn't need even that as every member of the group was simultaneously a tank as well as whatever other role they played.

As far as your self-torture goes, you said you played FFXI for five years despite hating it and now you're playing FFXIV which hasn't always been as easy mode (as far as leveling speed goes) as it is now, and which very easily may have its leveling speed slowed down in the future.

[Hanemakikaze]

Here:



IIRC colibri hit like wet towels and died seconds after the first WS landed. The "tank" you needed wasn't much more than an initial voker. Also, at 72 when Utsusemi: Ni became subbable, you didn't need even that as every member of the group was simultaneously a tank as well as whatever other role they played.

As far as your self-torture goes, you said you played FFXI for five years despite hating it and now you're playing FFXIV which hasn't always been as easy mode (as far as leveling speed goes) as it is now, and which very easily may have its leveling speed slowed down in the future.

Ok, you quote me but what exactly am I looking for? Looks like you couldn't find a thing & just quoted randomly. And no, birds didn't hit like wet noodles, their tp move did a shit ton of damage when they are checking VT-IT nor did they just die after a ws until higher. When you first enter those areas it's not some mega fast exp cake walk like you making it out to be. And XIV wasn't always easy mode? Is that a joke? All you had to do was the same 8 leves every day for 100k+ exp, took no "coordination" just mindless killing as you say, even on the rare occasion you partied still no. Frankly I'm done trying to explain because you're just gonna keep repeating the same thing sooo yeah, we're through here.

[Jynx]

you needed a tank for birds AND Crawlers unless you were far over its level or on equal grounds.

Once ToAU got into full swing tanks became a afterthought in parties much like mages or any class that took time/effort to use it's skills.

Bard+Meele thats all you needed, maybe a healer if you had a sub-par party. All thanks to making fights faster and easier.

[Davorok]

I guess I am one of the masochists that enjoyed the XI zone grind but that's because I had a unique perspective...as a Father.

I played FFXI with my 2 daughters on the weekends. We had lots of fun trying out all the different jobs so the grind was lessened by the excitement of learning new abilities, weapon skills, spells and learning how to use them.

We also had 2 very good LS's with which we did quests, missions, bcnm's, campaigns, avatars, besieged and could almost always get a grind party together. I agree though that low level PT's became more scarce after ToAU so many times I had to Plvl/heal a low-man PT instead of being in the PT with my kids but that seemed the fatherly thing to do. ;>)

My daughters outgrew the game while I played off & on for a couple more years but that's when the grind finally got to me and I quit. None of us ever reached Sea, Sky, Dynamis or any endgame content but we had a lot of fun and still have many good memories (as well as frustrations) about the game.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say except that I think any grind is more tolerable if you have family and/or friends to do it with and also as long as there is much more to do than just level up, you can have a fun successful game.