Objection to the new adjustment for PGL, they gonna make this class useless in PT.

[Betelgeuzah]

I wasn't going to chime in on this debate, but this comment is somewhat insulting. Until this day, I have had absolutely no wish to level PGL. My PGL is a measly level 12 and that only for featherfoot and Second Wind. These changes have single-handedly convinced me to main PGL. Sure, the class might not be as popular for a while, but by god does it sound fun. I can only speak for myself, but these changes have just as much change to bring people to PGL as they do to scare them away.

I was pretty confident that I could skip MNK this time around, if it played anything like XI's MNK (why would I want to play the same Job twice?). Now they pulled off a stunt like this and I'm completely torn. The AF looks superb (especially on a female), the style is more Chinese and it plays completely different, yet in a traditional fashion with kicks and elemental attacks.

I was sure that I would never be a Monk again after XI. Now I am sure that I will be. Sigh.

[Chardrizard]

I'm pretty sure I said compared to other classes in my second sentence, they don't "shine" they are just "there", especially at ifrit with their extremely short range and 1min cd victimize. This is my point, why bother with having a pugilist in your party when other classes are so much more effective/better. Again, they are in just to be there with the current state of the game and its classes. I welcome the change so that's no longer case, hopefully.

You can never balance everything for everyone, if everything is balance for everyone it means everyone is the same thing and are not unique. Pugilist will outshines Lancer at other contents, might be the next primal, might be the next raids.

[Betelgeuzah]

You can never balance everything for everyone, if everything is balance for everyone it means everyone is the same thing and are not unique. Pugilist will outshines Lancer at other contents, might be the next primal, might be the next raids.

That's not really true. You can, for example, align the job/class differently, name the skills according to a different theme (light vs. dark for a basic example), you can also implement unique animations and particle effects for the skills. The lore can be different, and the weapon type they wield.

[Sephrick]

I don't remember them asking for our feedback on the matter. I certainly could be wrong but regardless, if you don't post it in the proper forum category (Class Discussion: PGL) and do not tag it with the dev tag ([dev1206]) you are not offering feedback.

That's why they take the time to post it before implementation. Albeit it was very late.

Alongside the overhaul to the algorithms, work is also proceeding on redefining and redistributing abilities for Disciples of War and Magic. This is a hefty amount of work, and not all classes will be ready by patch 1.19. But rather than a partial release, we’ve decided to save the implementation of all classes for 1.20. We’ll make the details of the planned changes available when 1.19 goes live, and monitor player feedback as a way to help define our direction. In the meantime, we’ll keep on performing balance tweaks to the current class system in coming sub-patches based on ongoing feedback from the community.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...495#post292495

[Alerith]

The only problem I have with the OP's post is that she is making it sound concrete "This is bad. We don't want this."

We have no way of knowing if it's good or bad, and to say "I think this is a bad idea, so it must be" is simply wrong. Voice your concern and why you think it's a concern, but don't just jump to the end and say that it's for sure going to suck.

These changes sound thought out and it gives PGL/MNK an interesting spin by utilizing MP and I don't foresee that it is going to hurt their desirability any more than the current system.

[Chardrizard]

That's not really true. You can, for example, align the job/class differently, name the skills according to a different theme (light vs. dark for a basic example), you can also implement unique animations and particle effects for the skills. The lore can be different, and the weapon type they wield.

That is not unique lol, that is just different outside skins. Right now Lancers are in demand on Ifrit because of their ability to hit at longer range, if they makes everyone has the same range as Lancer but giving it different naming, I see no point in that.

[Betelgeuzah]

That is not unique lol, that is just different outside skins. Right now Lancers are in demand on Ifrit because of their ability to hit at longer range, if they makes everyone has the same range as Lancer but giving it different naming, I see no point in that.

That is certainly unique aesthetics wise. You can belittle it as much as you want, but it's still a form of uniqueness just like any other.

And as far as the "point" of it goes, no Job/class will ever be excluded from any content.

[Firon]

You should put a head up "Only PGL R50 vote please"
because I can see that everybody who vote disagree in this thread clearly not plan to play PGL, or not like PGl to begin with.

Seriously.any PGL fan would not like this change at all.

I'm a pgl main since game classes was announced I love the changes, however my only concern is that are these said attacks pure elemental or they simply attacks with added elemental power. Also PGL is reminding me of Avatar or Fei from Xenogears which i can't wait to play as

[Altanas]

I like the idea of what is in essense Stances for pug/mnk, and I like the fact they appear to last full time until you want to turn off the stance or change to a different stance. I dont like the fact they are tied to MP though.

What if I was kiting mobs using the evasion stance and ran out of MP

Or if you are in a dungeon it will be annoying having to turn on and off the stance as you run around to the next set of mobs in order to save a few MP

Quick Q: Will we still have strike/pummel (which cost MP) or will they be gone too?

I like the idea that the stances are elementally alligned, it would be interesting to see if the weaponskills also allign that way (which am guessing they do given the materia on PGL weapons)

[Elexia]

I'm a pgl main since game classes was announced I love the changes, however my only concern is that are these said attacks pure elemental or they simply attacks with added elemental power. Also PGL is reminding me of Avatar or Fei from Xenogears which i can't wait to play as

If you played FFXI, just think of it like a form of Formless Strikes, hearing it it sounds bad, but in execution it definitely has it's uses.