Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
The entire point of "John" is that you don't know his circumstances and that you should not treat him as if you do.

He is a 70 Tank and decides he wants to do a dungeon. He is level 70, so he reasons he should pick a level 70 dungeon.

At the end of the day, "John's" circumstances could be anything, just like a party member you might meet in a pug. The bottom line is that if you don't know what their circumstances are it pretty unfair of you to:
* Dream up their circumstances in your imagination
* Treat that dream as if it is reality
* Then hold them accountable to the transgressions they made in your imagination
That doesn’t excuse his behavior as being incredibly inconsiderate of the other three people he gets in his party. Stop making excuses for these people. They obviously don’t care enough about the random players in their party to try and not perform poorly, so why should you care to make excuses for them?

There is a base expectation when someone queues into level 70 content on a level 70 job, they know how to play said level 70 job—I’m not even talking about at an optimized level, but at a basic level: tanks tank, hold aggro, use cooldowns; healers heal, maybe weave in some DPS; DPS use DPS skills, single-target and AOE when appropriate. When they fail to meet that very basic expectation, it is no one’s fault but theirs. John doesn’t know how to tank but decides to tank and does poorly? That’s his fault for not trying to actually learn before he subjected random people to his play.

Inb4 you say: “You shouldn’t have expectations in DF”—that’s fine, but there are still minimum expectations there.
—Tanks are expected to know how to tank (aggro management, cooldown management)
—Healers are expected to know how to heal (when and where to heal, and which type to use [AOE or Single Target])
—DPS are expected to know how to DPS (a very basic 1-2-3 rotation, and when to use single-target or AOE skills)