Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[AphraelAmarantha]

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You are oversimplifying though. It's not just hit 1-2-3. You have to also deal with how large a group of mobs are, you have to make sure they are facing the correct direction when maintaining aggro, you have to deal with the occasional aoe requiring you to move, you have to make sure your hotbar is set up correctly so you can use those skills efficiently, you have to actually know what those skills do, you have to understand what the tool tip is telling you and so on. It's not just 1-2-3. For people like me, it can just be too much.

I am not saying that lazy play doesn't happen. However to think that bad players are ONLY just lazy players is a bad generalization and discredits the claim. It's like saying "Some of these apples have worms in them so ALL apples must have worms in it." It's faulty logic and doesn't support the claim. There may be more factors going on then what appears on your screen.

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I'm just here gecause I'm loving your character design and your picture profile in your sig. - BIG HUGZ- ok.. I'm done.

[AphraelAmarantha]

I'm just here gecause I'm loving your character design and your picture profile in your sig. - BIG HUGZ- ok.. I'm done.

Thanks a lot! :3

[Anienai]

Thanks a lot! :3

I second your awesomeness.

[Miste]

You are oversimplifying though. It's not just hit 1-2-3.

No I am not, the example I used the PLD never used Flash. That was the reason they couldn't hold AoE hate. I am not talking about the combo. So it is literally they couldn't press one button to make sure the healer and DPS weren't tanking the other 2 mobs out of a 3 mob pull. They had the competence to understand the 1-2-3 combo yet couldn't manage to use Flash once?

The question is how did they not know how to use Flash at level 65? Laziness. You learn Flash at level 6 and whose fault is it that they don't know how to use it? The only one to blame is themselves.

They didn't read the tooltip or practice it during those 59 levels to see what it does? No.
If they read the tooltip but didn't understand it did they not even or ask fellow players for help on what it does and/or use it in dungeons just to test it? No.
Did they not look up a PLD guide to help themselves if they didn't understand the tooltip? No.
When they pull trash packs and realize the 2/3 of the mobs are attacking the healer or DPS did they wonder why and seek out help? No.
I politely suggested they use Flash halfway through the dungeon so they wouldn't lose hate on the mobs did they think about using it? No, they ignored me.

All of that is their own fault.

You have to also deal with how large a group of mobs are, you have to make sure they are facing the correct direction when maintaining aggro, you have to deal with the occasional aoe requiring you to move,

You're adding things to my expectations that aren't there. I said in my post I am only talking about simply holding hate on 3 mobs as an example from what I personally saw this level 65 PLD do. I am talking the lowest tanking expectation of just holding hate and that alone. I don't care if they positioned wrong, or got hit by a few telegraphs.. Although I am being generous considering their resume of 70 jobs including DRK which means they should have a tanking basis.

I am not saying that lazy play doesn't happen. However to think that bad players are ONLY just lazy players is a bad generalization and discredits the claim.

Yeah...and where did I say all bad play is laziness? All I said was sometimes you can definitely see if laziness is a factor.

I was responding to someone who was actually making a bad generalization of the opposite? Claiming that you can never tell if someone is being lazy and they are all simply "new" or "just don't know".

The fact is that "not knowing" certain basics by certain levels in this game like a tank not knowing how to use AoE enmity Flash/Unleash, by level 60+ means they are highly likely being lazy and if they don't want to be lazy then maybe they should get off their butt and actually try to help themselves by quickly reading tooltips, quickly skim a job guide for a few mins, or ask fellow players for help who have the job leveled.


PS. What did you do to the quote thing lol my quote has a picture of a male lalafell which I've never played one before ever yet my name is beside it? If I hover over it it says it is a poster named "Len" O.o

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You are oversimplifying though. It's not just hit 1-2-3. You have to also deal with how large a group of mobs are, you have to make sure they are facing the correct direction when maintaining aggro, you have to deal with the occasional aoe requiring you to move, you have to make sure your hotbar is set up correctly so you can use those skills efficiently, you have to actually know what those skills do, you have to understand what the tool tip is telling you and so on. It's not just 1-2-3. For people like me, it can just be too much.

For a tank, all of this can, and should be understood well before 50. Hell, much of it should be learned before Brayflox, and if not, Brayflox is designed to make you learn it. As for hotbars, some might call it work, but I call it my own personal QoL to be mindful of these things in my own downtime. That's not to say I haven't made hotbar edits in an instance before, but I can never claim mistakes or poor performance was due to not having things set up properly, or knowing what is where.

Fact is, the people that make those proper steps to be prepared and make effort to perform well almost always do. The same cannot be said for those that don't.

[Tridus]

You are oversimplifying though. It's not just hit 1-2-3. You have to also deal with how large a group of mobs are, you have to make sure they are facing the correct direction when maintaining aggro, you have to deal with the occasional aoe requiring you to move, you have to make sure your hotbar is set up correctly so you can use those skills efficiently, you have to actually know what those skills do, you have to understand what the tool tip is telling you and so on. It's not just 1-2-3. For people like me, it can just be too much.

No, this is literally "hit Flash a few times". That's it. If you do that and nothing else, you will tank all trash in Dusk Vigil effectively enough to keep everything on you (and thus probably clear). It's a very low standard of play and they failed to meet it.

It's hard to say if its laziness or incompetence, but whatever it is, at that level it's unacceptable.

If you want to be a good tank, then you need to deal with proper rotations and cooldown usage and stance dancing and all that. But all those things come after the enemies are hitting you... and that means hit Flash.