Question about Balmung.

[SorrowsEnd]

You're not asking for improvements to the game though. You're asking for them to upgrade ONE server out of tens because YOU cannot get in. You are asking for something that benefits ONE group. Yes, it's a large group. Yes it's been a "problem" for a long time, however the solution has already been implemented. You like your community? Cool, stay there. Every other server has room though and the people who control the money have no reason to drop money and invest it in one server when they can continue to pull in NEW users who pay money on other servers and not destabilize the datacenter.

Again I read and I just facepalm. If Balmung is an issue which crashes Aether which granted has no actual proof of doing that but is assumed improving it i.e upgrading it will make it more stable capable of holding more people and not "crashing aether" Thats literally an improvement for Aether. This solution isn't a solution at all it's not going to fix anything MORE needs to be done which is what people want. If you can't get into a server to play with friends and again its not just one person theirs tons others who have friends who are on Balmung. Forcing them to leave a server for one-two friends when they have 20+ isn't logically you people refuse to see that, as someone from another balmung post stated along the lines of"SE is right because they say so so theyre right" you blindly follow along what they say without any sort of thought.

[Keridwyn]

Again I read and I just facepalm. If Balmung is an issue which crashes Aether which granted has no actual proof of doing that but is assumed improving it i.e upgrading it will make it more stable capable of holding more people and not "crashing aether"

Follow my logic. SE upgrades the server and improves it, making it hold more people. It promptly hits cap again. What's the next solution? There are not infinite space upgrades out there.

I've attempt to have a discussion I realize Balmung is full everyone does many have listed different ways on how to fix it what could work what not yet you list said reason and what do you get? These kinda replies. We want improvements not just Balmung but for every locked server. No person should be locked away from their friends period. No person should be forced to leave a server.

But they are because infinite space does not exist. Not even on the behemoth that is WoW. Servers over there get locked to. Heck, they get locked on every MMO that runs a server system. This is not unique.

[SorrowsEnd]

Follow my logic. SE upgrades the server and improves it, making it hold more people. It promptly hits cap again. What's the next solution? There are not infinite space upgrades out there.

We understand that can happen thats why we've listed other info as well however right now as it stands a regular upgrade is fine. Their is also different ways I.E
-Same w/invite a friend were Balmung players already on can invite 1 friend to be capable of transfering. That person can no longer invite someone and the invited cannot invite. This is implying SE has improved Balmung

-Merge some older less populated servers i.e the ones that give the bonus like Zalera Courel etc to one server/one population and the persons effected are given a chance to ether leave at a discounted or free price.

[Keridwyn]

-Merge some older less populated servers i.e the ones that give the bonus like Zalera Courel etc to one server/one population and the persons effected are given a chance to ether leave at a discounted or free price.

I see you completely missed the part of my post where I told you not to negatively impact other servers. Did you know that the lowest pop FFXIV server only has about 6.5k active people on it? Coeurl has over 12k. Zalera has over 11k. Balmung has over 22k. So you still want to call my server dead and tell me it needs merged? Because SE certainly thinks that 6.5k users justifies a server. And remember, that's just the active population. How big is Balmung in totality? How about they just split Balmung and be done with it, it's actually less disruptive than what you're proposing because suddenly there's more housing to go around and not less. Since, you know, housing is one of the reasons your friends won't come play with you.

And no, I don't actually support that. I don't support cutting the server in half for the same reasons I do not support server merges, period. The fact you just keep targeting my home server leads me to believe you'd rather just have me angry and arguing with you than actually trying to solve an issue.

[SorrowsEnd]

And no, I don't actually support that. I don't support cutting the server in half for the same reasons I do not support server merges, period. The fact you just keep targeting my home server leads me to believe you'd rather just have me angry and arguing with you than actually trying to solve an issue.

If you got the idea of me targeting your server with the intent to upset you I apologize as that wasn't my goal. My goal was simply to come up with quick ideas without thinking much. I was on your server didn't mind it much minus the large group of toxic people that for whatever reason were there but that isn't the topic.

[Keridwyn]

My goal was simply to come up with quick ideas without thinking much.

Apology accepted.

The biggest problem is you keep calling things dead servers when NA no longer has any such thing. Our populations are huge in comparison to the JP servers. It just seems like it because what we did have were massive population swings. At one point Balmung had a 5:1 ratio on Mateus (our tiniest server). Then they locked Balmung and Greg and suddenly a diaspora occurred and every other server had a population benefit. But it still hasn't been enough. This why an upgrade won't be helpful because all you'll see is the population swings in action again. People will desert the smaller servers all trying to crowd back on to Balmung again and then...the cycle will repeat.

[SorrowsEnd]

Apology accepted.

The biggest problem is you keep calling things dead servers when NA no longer has any such thing. Our populations are huge in comparison to the JP servers. It just seems like it because what we did have were massive population swings. At one point Balmung had a 5:1 ratio on Mateus (our tiniest server). Then they locked Balmung and Greg and suddenly a diaspora occurred and every other server had a population benefit. But it still hasn't been enough. This why an upgrade won't be helpful because all you'll see is the population swings in action again. People will desert the smaller servers all trying to crowd back on to Balmung again and then...the cycle will repeat.

I appreciate you accepting it and at the end of the day you seemed like a person who was intelligent and also understandable. The issue I have isnt just Balmung its all locked servers. People can't play with friends unless they leave and I don't agree with that. I didn't want some big thread again about Balmung like all the others my intent of the post at first was to know if theirs any info about Balmung in particular that was spoken. Just info would be enough for me. I looked online and haven't found anything. Most replys I got were "it's locked because its full or it needs to be locked etc etc" some even down right disrespecting my friends which angered me. It seems like SE isnt very public about another thing I wish they'd improve.

[Reinha]

We understand that can happen thats why we've listed other info as well however right now as it stands a regular upgrade is fine. Their is also different ways I.E

-Same w/invite a friend were Balmung players already on can invite 1 friend to be capable of transfering. That person can no longer invite someone and the invited cannot invite. This is implying SE has improved Balmung

-Merge some older less populated servers i.e the ones that give the bonus like Zalera Courel etc to one server/one population and the persons effected are given a chance to ether leave at a discounted or free price.

There are some problems with these ideas:

- This would help only a limited number of people on Balmung, while still undoing a lot of population balancing that has already been accomplished. The friends invited also have friends and some people have multiple friends, so this does not solve the issue of people not being able to play with friends. I can also imagine a reddit thread or few appearing for trading invite codes, ensuring it isn't friends alone who end up overcrowding the server again. In the end this method would allow the server to double in active population, which would make Balmung bigger than it has ever been. This would have an adverse effect on the stability of the data center and the health of smaller worlds where those invited friends would be pulled from.

- Merging servers would have a catastrophic effect on those who own housing. It was already tried on the Chinese/Korean (I forgot which) servers and the people on those servers had their houses taken away by force. This is a far worse situation than locking big servers and allowing people the free choice to give up their house and move out.

The way SE is handling player populations right now is just the best and fairest way, even though it isn't perfect. They are planning to make linkshells cross-world, and possibly other cross-world features as well, so that people will have more ways to play with their friends on other servers. Cross-world PF and private parties were a huge step towards this goal.

[Krotoan]

Again I read and I just facepalm. If Balmung is an issue which crashes Aether which granted has no actual proof of doing that but is assumed improving it i.e upgrading it will make it more stable capable of holding more people and not "crashing aether" Thats literally an improvement for Aether. This solution isn't a solution at all it's not going to fix anything MORE needs to be done which is what people want. If you can't get into a server to play with friends and again its not just one person theirs tons others who have friends who are on Balmung. Forcing them to leave a server for one-two friends when they have 20+ isn't logically you people refuse to see that, as someone from another balmung post stated along the lines of"SE is right because they say so so theyre right" you blindly follow along what they say without any sort of thought.

The solution is working, if you and everyone you know quits that's proof it's working. The server will fall below capacity and it will open again. People will fill your spaces and SE will not even notice you going.
You speak of blindness but refuse to try and see it from a company or other player perspective.
Balmung DID crash Aether. this happened. a few times.
I did say it was a group. But still just one group. Why should one server get an upgrade, which will then be over populated AGAIN and cause the SAME problem? It's insanity.

SE is not right in any MORAL way but what they are doing is very understandable from a resource point of view, and the fact you think they actually care about your feelings means you are the deluded one. I've thought about this a lot, it seems you haven't thought beyond how this affects you personally.

[SorrowsEnd]

SE is not right in any MORAL way but what they are doing is very understandable from a resource point of view, and the fact you think they actually care about your feelings means you are the deluded one. I've thought about this a lot, it seems you haven't thought beyond how this affects you personally.[/QUOTE]

Thats the issue the company doesn't care. They don't care if people cant play with their friends. SE needs to learn a thing or two from Blizzard.