The FFXIV community is fast becoming like Overwatch

[Hayward]

https://youtu.be/adsOgYcVtDY

This video should never have had to be made, yet lazy-minded "pros" and e-sports wannabes have made endgame and other content nearly undesirable to run due to these silly metas being tossed about as though they were gospel.

Lately, I've been watching YouTube videos decrying the state of a different game's community: Overwatch. From the outside looking in, that community seems to be what the FFXIV community is quickly becoming. All that's really missing is the throwing, and we all know that's only a fake d/c away.

[Canadane]

Match throwing exists in the feast quite often

[Baalfrog]

Also just to clarify, you did watch the video right? He just explains what meta is so you can be more informed about the topic. Metagaming has been a thing, will always be a thing, no matter what the game is, if there is some form of variation available. Its something you can't get rid of and thats it. Whats the biggest take though is that while metagaming is always going to be a thing, most of the time it is not necessary.

As for regarding the topic, there will always be more ignorant people who don't fully understand what meta means, and because they don't understand what it means they make it sound like either a) mandatory for everything or b) the worst thing ever that will kill the game.

[Theodric]

I used to raid at a high level back in the days of Sunwell Plateau in WoW. I found it a lot of fun during that time period since people were more easy going, I feel. Serious and progression focused yet not to the same horrid extent that they are today where the slightest mistake results in removal and static applications are just as in-depth as job interviews even for so called 'casual' groups. The obsession with the ideal 'meta' has always existed to some extent yet the rise in obnoxious streamers pushing such things has only led to it gaining more traction, unfortunately.

[RubyCirha]

Fact of the matter is there will always be jerks in games who proclaim to the heavens that there the meta police and to be honest i just ignore them lol i especially ignore people who refer to me by job acronyms and not my name i meen is ruby so hard to type quickly (sorry that was a side rant) anyway yes there will always be a meta but the problem is that no one can agree on just one meta and that's the confusing/frustrating thing with it and if this makes no sense i apologise I've been awake for like 26 hours now so yea

[SuperZay]

Metas come from job inbalance. If hard content can be easier cleared with only a certain job composition, don't blame players for wanting to make things easier, blame devs for not properly balancing. Same applies to PvP, where its easier to get wins with certain jobs, or even dungeons where it's much faster to complete with certain jobs.
For example there's 56 summoners (including repeated clears by the same player) completed Ultimate but only 1 black mage, 64 ninjas but only 2 monks (data from fflogs). Guess what jobs statics will prefer if they want to succeed.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Wasn't there a DRK in the world first Ult. Coil group who, as I recall, when asked why he chose to go as a DRK his reply was "DRK is fun to play"?

Play what you like. Strive to be as good at it as you can be. And if someone chooses to limit their thinking to what the job can do and not what you can do, either style on 'em or leave them to their ignorance.

[ServerCollaps]

atleast people stopped using the same dps class, as it was meta during 1.0

4-5 archer mogry farm groups or full lancer ifrit groups, which got replaced by full blm ifrit groups at a later point

I also think, that the devs mentioned that every content in the game is doable by every party composition, so 4x sam, dbl warrior, dbl whm should be possible aswell for unending bahamut

[Savagelf]

why do we play video games to have fun we play them to have fun and enjoy play them. if people leave group they can be replace. last night i left my group because it get close 11 and i had breakfest with my parents in morning

[Infindox]

Hahaha, this game isn't even close to the toxicity of OW.
There are many ways to play this game. I know of quite a few groups who have cleared O4S and have gotten pretty far in Ultimate without using the meta. Sure, there are jerks who will get mad at you, but there's that little thing called a blacklist.

It's funny you said OW because I know many people who have come to XIV from that community because it was so toxic (and most who are women were harassed hard).