Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Almandaragal]

The logic is that he didn't want to spend his time dealing with what was clearly an idiot in the Duty Finder and by extension enabling the behaviour.

I do the same thing, minus the alt. I refuse to argue and raise my blood pressure with terrible players and the white knights that accompany/defend them.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Clearly an idiot? As in, there's no possible chance that the player could have been light farming the last time they used that job, hit their equip set, and forgot that it was on the Anima weapon? They are just clearly an idiot, no other alternatives?

Are we really that quick to jump to conclusions that a "Hey X, did you know you've got an i260 staff on right now?" is too much to ask for? Even if the answer was "Yeah, I'm trying for light.", a simple "Ah, yeah, but you can't gain light in SB dungeons, can you switch to a more level appropriate weapon?" could have fixed the issue.

This is, of course, assuming the player was not problematic. But that's the thing: We, and more importantly the user who spoke about the situation, will never know, because there was no communication. Frankly, I find the whole idea of "There's one little problem with that person's gear, I'm not even going to ask, screw this, I'm out" a more problematic mindset than the fact that the sub-par weapon was brought to the dungeon. The weapon issue can be clarified and potentially fixed. If fixing is refusal, leaving is an option. Leaving on the assumption that someone else is dumb, without checking? Well, that seems the like the less intelligent option, to me.

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That junk aside, had a couple of decent runs this morning. Queued in to Leveling as DRK, hoping for something simple before bed. Get Aery. Hah, haven't done this in a month or two, never as tank. Works out great. SAM remembers dungeon, reminds us of specifics that I can't remember for the earlier bosses, healer works well despite being new to the fight as healer.

Then jump into the 50/60, the one full of dungeons I never did, or haven't done in ages. Get Haukke Hard. I can never remember where to go in the Manor ones, though Hard pretty straightforward, unlike normal. That hall pull seems a little hectic at first, but it went better than the last time I tanked it, and checking with party things were alright there.

The Aery had the healer telling me that they loved tanks like me, even though I don't remember doing anything but small pulls to feel the healer out/give them a nice ease into it, and the Manor they said it was a nice casual run, even though it was pretty quick since the DPS were pretty beastly at getting crap down fast. Nice to have a stress-free tank night after getting random ones with people trying to pull ahead a couple times earlier in the week.

[Miste]

You left because the BLM was using a low ilvl weapon? You didn't ask them to change it first? Or try a pull to see if the run was going to painfully slow?

Dude you didnt give the run a chance, or even ask them to change to a better weapon, and instead bragged about going on an alt because you didn't want wait 30 minutes to eat the penalty that you incurred on yourself because you didn't want to risk a 30+ minute run. Where is the logic in the statement?

Honestly his decision was a valid choice...why does he have to put up with a DPS using an i260 weapon in a i300 dungeon no matter the reason? (Weapon is the single most important piece of equipment for all jobs and having one 40 item levels lower than the dungeon minimum and from a previous expansion is pretty bad).

Whether or not the guy forgot to change his weapon back isn't Rokku's problem so he has no obligation to deal with it either way.

Yeah, he could have asked him, but I can understand the feeling of simply not wanting a confrontation because honestly when I happen across people who do things like this it usually ends up with me getting sh** on because I dared to speak up. So sometimes I simply leave runs too because I just don't feel like dealing with any confrontation at the time and that is my choice. If don't feel like dealing with the "what if" of me speaking up and then getting verbally harassed over then I preemptively protect myself from it by just leaving and taking my penalty.

I've personally done DPS tests on having full gear but having a huge item level gap on your weapon. It lowers your damage potential more than you might realize. That 40 item levels of 260 to 300 can cut your damage down quite a bit.

Frankly, I find the whole idea of "There's one little problem with that person's gear, I'm not even going to ask, screw this, I'm out" a more problematic mindset than the fact that the sub-par weapon was brought to the dungeon.

Did you read what Rokku posted above this post of yours? That isn't the mindset he had. He simply did not want to deal with the consequences of speaking up at the time. IE: an impending argument or confrontation which in my experience happens a lot in this game if you question other players or speak up about gear or play style.

Have you ever had a friend who sometimes did or said minor insensitive things but you knew them well enough to know they don't do it on purpose and it is just how they are? You have arguments with friends sometimes, it happens, but sometimes when this friend crosses the line again you just say nothing because you just don't feel like arguing about it or starting a confrontation?

Sometimes you just don't feel like dealing with other people's problems and honestly you are expecting too much from an anonymous stranger in an MMO. They aren't obligated to deal with it if they don't want to.

[Tridus]

Oh, Rabanastre. You just keep on giving, don't you?

Friend and I have been queuing into it mostly for giggles at this point just to see how bad groups have become. We were treated to a Ninja who quite literally died to every single mechanic. He either wouldn't move out of AoEs or got cleaved by simply running around in a panic half the time. At one point, he actually stood beneath the Rock Hammer mechanic, proceeding to explode. In just three fights (counting Hashmal twice due to a wipe), he amassed ten deaths. Maybe he was a newbie? Not only were there no first time announcement, but he had full 340 melded except for one ring.

Vote kick went through pretty quickly.

Rabanastre doesn't give new player notifications for some reason. It's kind of a nusiance when the person doesn't speak up.

[Crysten]

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See, this is the difference between you and me.

You're obviously looking for justification and rationalization in the grand scheme of things, which I can respect.

I, and many others, have seen this shit so many times we've become jaded and cyncial to the point it's far easier to just leave than put up with the awkward conversation.

That said, the mindset of someone going into a dungeon undergeared (deliberately or no) is somehow better than the mindset of someone who doesn't want to encourage it? Care to elaborate on that point? If the majority of the low-skill playerbase actually gave half a shit about their gear, let alone rotations, then surely we wouldn't be having these conversations?

[SenorPatty]

See, this is the difference between you and me.

You're obviously looking for justification and rationalization in the grand scheme of things, which I can respect.

I, and many others, have seen this shit so many times we've become jaded and cyncial to the point it's far easier to just leave than put up with the awkward conversation.

That said, the mindset of someone going into a dungeon undergeared (deliberately or no) is somehow better than the mindset of someone who doesn't want to encourage it? Care to elaborate on that point?

Those are pretty much my own thoughts as well.


At some point, you just give up playing voice of reason because of backlash and you either stick through bad or bail, both done in silence. That's why I'm not gonna judge Rokku's decision. Took his penalty from the start rather than wait halfway or near the end and gave himself peace of mind.

[HyoMinPark]

Rabanastre doesn't give new player notifications for some reason. It's kind of a nusiance when the person doesn't speak up.

The jaded and cynical part of me wants to say that the NIN wasn’t actually new. Not since he was actively running to and standing in every AOE imaginable. (I was there. I saw...things.)

[winsock]

I was debating if I should ask that person to change to a higher-level weapon, but I've had too many experiences where people don't want to do that

... You held this player accountable for the attitude someone else took with you? That doesn't make any sense...

I think you'd have alot less opposition if you left because the BLM said they weren't going to change weapons, i.e held accountable for his/her attitude, not someone else's.

Leaving a relic equipped isn't an unheard-of mistake. You end a night grinding light. Log in the next day ready for Ex roulette and forget that you still have the relic equipped.

[Jellybums]

I just finished MSQ 4.0 yesterday and most of my gear was lvl 68 when I went in Kugane Castle and Temple of the Fist thereafter. Can't farm tomes in EX roulette yet because Skalla requires ilvl 300. One of the DPS said nothing and bailed at the start of Temple. Now after reading what some players here said about undergeared players, I'm wondering if that DPS took a 30-minute penalty for the same reason. I guess a 34-minute run would've been more painful.

[Miste]

I just finished MSQ 4.0 yesterday and most of my gear was lvl 68 when I went in Kugane Castle and Temple of the Fist thereafter.

Um...your job quest at level 70 gives you free level 70 gear item level 290...and you are missing your level 70 job ability just FYI even though I think for PLD it is just Passage of Arms which isn't overly necessary for easy content, but it is what it is...only your right side should be lower since the job quest gives you free level 70 weapon, head, body, hands, legs, and feet.

The game actually tells you when you level if there is a new job quest for you to do so you should pay more attention to the game's instructions. Go do your job quest.

[Lilseph]

I just finished MSQ 4.0 yesterday and most of my gear was lvl 68 when I went in Kugane Castle and Temple of the Fist thereafter. Can't farm tomes in EX roulette yet because Skalla requires ilvl 300. One of the DPS said nothing and bailed at the start of Temple. Now after reading what some players here said about undergeared players, I'm wondering if that DPS took a 30-minute penalty for the same reason. I guess a 34-minute run would've been more painful.

If you were a tank, most likely. I checked your Lodestone and noticed that you haven't completed your job quest? That grants you ilvl 290 gear at least, which is a bit better than what you have now. If anything, you should start grinding Ala Mhigo instead of either Kugane Castle or Temple of The Fist, since it has ilvl sync, getting it close to your current.