Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[HyoMinPark]

I have a few questions concerning weapons in content (I brought up something similar to the DF thread):

A person enters a Skalla run with mostly 310 gear, but has an ilvl 260 weapon with the intention of gaining light for their anima relic. Do you think this is respectful or disrespectful? Also would you want to go through the potential trouble of asking that person to switch to a higher item level weapon? Finally, in the event the person refuses to switch, would you put up with relic grinder with a weapon that has an item level way below the required item level number?

It’s both disrespectful and uninformed on their part, because Stormblood content does not give light for Heavensward relics, last I heard.

[savageink]

It’s both disrespectful and uninformed on their part, because Stormblood content does not give light for Heavensward relics, last I heard.

He didn't mention that in the other thread he said he bailed without even asking if the guy meant to do the run that way. I know I've forgotten to switch back to a level appropriate weapon when light grinding. You can't say it was either without asking.

[HyoMinPark]

He didn't mention that in the other thread he said he bailed without even asking if the guy meant to do the run that way. I know I've forgotten to switch back to a level appropriate weapon when light grinding. You can't say it was either without asking.

I’m not referencing his DF thread post (which I have not read). I’m referencing the post he made in this thread, which asked specifically if the person was being disrespectful entering Level 70 content with a relic from an entire expansion ago, and not switching it out for a more level-appropriate weapon.

If the person enters into Level 70 content with a weapon from an entire expansion ago, and refuses to switch upon being told “You’re wearing an outdated weapon”, it’s disrespectful.
If the person enters into Level 70 content with a relic from ARR or HW attempting to gain light for it, it’s uninformed, because SB content does not give aetheric condensation for older relics.

If his post in this thread is insinuating that the person entered Skalla without being aware that he was still using his i260 weapon, that is unclear, because the wording suggests he entered Skalla intentionally wearing the weapon to gain light from the content.

[savageink]

I’m not referencing his DF thread. I’m referencing the post he made in this thread.
If the person enters into Level 70 content with a weapon from an entire expansion ago, and refuses to switch, it’s disrespectful.
If the person enters into Level 70 content with a relic from ARR or HW attempting to gain light for it, it’s uninformed, because SB content does not give aetheric condensation for older relics.

yes, but we don't know if he would have refused to switch, he was never asked. you also don't know if he was trying to get light in the dungeon because he was also never asked. disrespect and level of information held by the person you are talking about was never established. it cannot be established without interaction. we might as well ask if it's disrespectful and uninformed to join a DF run and leave without asking a person's intention when running with an i260 anima.

[RokkuEkkusu]

yes, but we don't know if he would have refused to switch, he was never asked. you also don't know if he was trying to get light in the dungeon because he was also never asked. disrespect and level of information held by the person you are talking about was never established. it cannot be established without interaction. we might as well ask if it's disrespectful and uninformed to join a DF run and leave without asking a person's intention when running with an i260 anima.

Dirk, have you tried to get Aetheric Condensation in Stormblood Content?

I mean if anyone wants to use an item level 260 weapon to get their relic lights. That is fine as long as it's stuff like Alexander runs, or even Stormblood Dungeons if you want to test the waters of getting light. But having a lower item level weapon while doing Expert Roulette at this phase of the game just doesn't sit well with me. Especially, if the other two party members have item level 300-310 weapons from the beginning of the run.

[HyoMinPark]

yes, but we don't know if he would have refused to switch, he was never asked. you also don't know if he was trying to get light in the dungeon because he was also never asked. disrespect and level of information held by the person you are talking about was never established. it cannot be established without interaction. we might as well ask if it's disrespectful and uninformed to join a DF run and leave without asking a person's intention when running with an i260 anima.

Rokku’s Post in this thread is entirely separate from his DF thread post. You’re mixing the two, assuming that his post here is meant to be the same as the one he made in the DF thread. The only note he has made is that he made a similar comment about this in the DF thread. Separate the two, because the don’t have anything to do with one another in this current discussion.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Rokku’s Post in this thread is entirely separate from his DF thread post. You’re mixing the two, assuming that his post here is meant to be the same as the one he made in the DF thread. The only note he has made is that he made a similar comment about this in the DF thread. Separate the two, because the don’t have anything to do with one another in this current discussion.

Thank you Hyomin. The other thread is me saying what happened to me. This thread has me asking what would happen if the person who read my question experienced a similar situation and how he/she would feel about it in a hypothetical sense.

[savageink]

Dirk, have you tried to get Aetheric Condensation in Stormblood Content?

I mean if anyone wants to use an item level 260 weapon to get their relic lights. That is fine as long as it's stuff like Alexander runs, oreven Stormblood Dungeons if you want to test the waters of getting light. But having a lower item level weapon while doing Expert Roulette at this phase of the game just doesn't sit well with me. Especially, if the other two party members have item level 300-310 weapons from the beginning of the run.

All I'm saying is you don't know why the guy had an old weapon equipped. You never asked him. I've gotten a few pulls in on newer dungeons while wondering why the hell my damage is shit, before realizing i forgot to switch weapons. It's not like people at level cap don't get 290 weapons free when they do their job quests. So, everybody should have something to switch to. Tossing around "disrespect" and "uninformed" when you have no idea what they were thinking is just kind of silly.

[HyoMinPark]

All I'm saying is you don't know why the guy had an old weapon equipped. You never asked him. I've gotten a few pulls in on newer dungeons while wondering why the hell my damage is shit, before realizing i forgot to switch weapons. It's not like people at level cap don't get 290 weapons free when they do their job quests. So, everybody should have something to switch to. Tossing around "disrespect" and "uninformed" when you have no idea what they were thinking is just kind of silly.

A person enters a Skalla run with mostly 310 gear, but has an ilvl 260 weapon with the intention of gaining light for their anima relic.

The scenario presented in this thread’s post. The person willingly queued into Skalla with an i260 weapon to try and get light for their relic. Which you cannot do, because SB content does not offer light for HW or ARR relics, just like HW content won’t offer light for ARR relics.

Do you think this is respectful or disrespectful?

My answer was: it’s disrespectful AND uninformed on that player’s part. Even if light was given for SB content, queuing into an Expert Roulette/into a level 70 dungeon and gimping yourself that much is disrespectful to the randoms you get matched with. If you wanted to do it in a pre-made, fine. But keep it in a pre-made.

Also would you want to go through the potential trouble of asking that person to switch to a higher item level weapon? Finally, in the event the person refuses to switch, would you put up with relic grinder with a weapon that has an item level way below the required item level number?

Other questions I did not address, but will do so here.

I would mention to the person “You’re wearing an i260 weapon in a level 70 dungeon; please switch”. If they refuse to switch, again, disrespectful. There is nothing in [b]this specific post[/i] that is insinuating the Relic grinder is unaware of his i260 weapon, nor that he would not switch upon being asked. It’s setting up the scenario in such a way to illustrate that he intentionally joined a random level 70 dungeon party in order to gain light for a relic from an entire expansion ago. It’s also setting up the condition that he is refusing to switch upon being asked.

Stop thinking about other posts in different threads, because the post presented in this one, while of a similar nature, is unrelated to the other thread.

Thank you Hyomin. The other thread is me saying what happened to me. This thread has me asking what would happen if the person who read my question experienced a similar situation and how he/she would feel about it in a hypothetical sense.

Rokku even says he is not connecting the two posts, but that they are entirely separate from one another.
Please use a bit of reading comprehension before jumping into a discussion.

[savageink]

Rokku’s Post in this thread is entirely separate from his DF thread post. You’re mixing the two, assuming that his post here is meant to be the same as the one he made in the DF thread. The only note he has made is that he made a similar comment about this in the DF thread. Separate the two, because the don’t have anything to do with one another in this current discussion.

I find it disingenuous to leave out that he knew nothing about what the other guy was thinking because he bailed without asking. And your answers also would require that knowledge for them to be informed.