Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Miste]

Sigh...look, once you start obsessing over shoddy play and wondering why others aren't pulling their weight, you start viewing the game as a job. You invest way too much significance into it and get bothered way too much by the actions of others, in a way you simply shouldn't as a game.

This whole thread was talking about basics. Expecting a healer to heal, a tank to tank, and a DPS to try to do damage..... is taking the game too seriously and therefore making it out to be a job?

Oh please...just stop this nonsense. You're gonna drive me to another existential crisis.

[RiyahArp]

This whole thread was talking about basics. Expecting a healer to heal, a tank to tank, and a DPS to try to do damage..... is taking the game too seriously and therefore making it out to be a job?

Oh please...just stop this nonsense. You're gonna drive me to another existential crisis.

And people do the basics fine. If they don't, you'd be all complaining about how half of your expert runs end in failure, or how you have to do everything in statics because you can't even trust the duty finder for a simple leveling roulette. People really overrate how many bad players there are, and how often they show up in normal play. My guess is that the OP is tired of yet another farm party wiping, probably shinryu ex.

[Jijifli]

And people do the basics fine. If they don't, you'd be all complaining about how half of your expert runs end in failure, or how you have to do everything in statics because you can't even trust the duty finder for a simple leveling roulette. People really overrate how many bad players there are, and how often they show up in normal play. My guess is that the OP is tired of yet another farm party wiping, probably shinryu ex.

I tank and heal my Expert. Imagine having to stop and wait for Living Dead because your healer can't heal properly if I dare DRK. Or if I Dare PLD with my main, have to Clemency myself because the healer refuses to heal me. Imagine runs taking 40+ minutes because your dps are basically auto attacking and nothing else. Or when I'm healing on AST or SCH, tanks that decide they want to be the Spell Speed PLD with no defensive abilities forcing me to spam Benefic II to keep them steady in large pulls. If they understood basics, this wouldn't happen, and part of my issue is trying to figure out how people make it this far?

[RiyahArp]

I tank and heal my Expert. Imagine having to stop and wait for Living Dead because your healer can't heal properly if I dare DRK.?

As of this time, I have all but 3 jobs at 70. I've played for about 3 years I think, and I had all 60s by the end of HW. Apart from basic "learning the content" that happens during the first week or two of a patch, I've not seen anywhere near the level of "being bad" people keep complaining about. I haven't abandoned leveling content once, unless someone says "nope aurum vale" and leaves at start. People are thinking the rare cases of being bad are so much worse and frequent than they really are.

The real subjects that tend to come up with this tend to be EX-level pugs. People complain because they can't find decent farm parties, or if the primal is hard enough, clears.

[Miste]

And people do the basics fine. If they don't, you'd be all complaining about how half of your expert runs end in failure, or how you have to do everything in statics because you can't even trust the duty finder for a simple leveling roulette. People really overrate how many bad players there are, and how often they show up in normal play. My guess is that the OP is tired of yet another farm party wiping, probably shinryu ex.

They don't all end in failure because people who play <20% effectiveness eventually get backpacked by others. Just the truth of the matter. Those are the players where if everyone else played at <20% like them you'd likely be unable to clear the content. So the others are picking up the slack so the group still clears.

I don't think there is as much exaggeration as you think there is. Going by my experiences over 4 years all I can say is I have seen a lot of things...things that cannot be unseen. Happens often enough where I usually worry when I have to queue for DF.

I am not talking about people not playing perfectly or anything either since no one should expect perfection, just basics at 50-70 like a tank holding hate, a healer keeping people alive most of the time, DPS who are obviously trying to do damage (IE: not just spamming one button over and over). I am a very lenient person and I don't have much expectations and my standards are quite low and yet still people have surprised me in DF often enough :/

[RiyahArp]

They don't all end in failure because people who play <20% effectiveness eventually get backpacked by others.

The only case where this is even possible is dps, and again, it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as people say it does. People assume 70% is 20%. They see a tank that pulls slow, and its the worst thing in the world.

FFXIV is one of my favorite games, one of the few that I play in my free time. I've never taken it as a job and I don't see how anyone could see it as a job unless they're a streamer who makes their living off of playing it. I don't get paid to login, I don't have to drag myself there every day I'm supposed to be there even if I feel like crap, I don't have to set an alarm I despise every morning to wake up for it, I don't have people above me constantly breathing down my neck. I can't put FFXIV on my resume nor can I expect any career growth from it. I wonder how people define a job if it doesn't fit into that criteria? What separates a job from a game to people who make arguments like these?

They invest too much into a game, and draw the same kind of rewards from it as if it was a job they loved. They talk about it more like a job than a game, using language like earn, rewards (i.e. pay), slacking, and being lazy. It is possible to love your job, and people do define themselves by what they do. If the rl job sucks, well the mmo job substitute fills the gap.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And people do the basics fine. If they don't, you'd be all complaining about how half of your expert runs end in failure, or how you have to do everything in statics because you can't even trust the duty finder for a simple leveling roulette. People really overrate how many bad players there are, and how often they show up in normal play. My guess is that the OP is tired of yet another farm party wiping, probably shinryu ex.

Because better players are forced to compensate. Just this week I was top five DPS against Mateus while playing White Mage. A healer contributed more DPS to the raid than Samurais, Ninjas, Summoners and etc. Had I been one of those healers who scarcely does more than the name implied, we're that much closer to not meeting the check at all. Just early this morning, a friend and I had a Ninja who died to almost every single mechanic—even directly standing in a few. While some players may have had lower tier gear, others were full 340 yet couldn't perform a simple rotation or deal with any mechanic more difficult than an auto-attack. By your definition, that's perfectly okay since we still eventually cleared. I, on the other hand, had no desire to carry a Ninja who was straining my MP pool with all the raises. He was swiftly kicked.

You claim people overrate bad players yet how much of the harder content do you participate in? Your anecdotal experiences are no more valid than mine, and I can assure you, the amount of players I have come across in everything ranging from Savage down to dungeons who have little to no idea what they're doing is staggering. And no, they aren't first timers but supposed "veterans." Come to think of it, that reminds me of a time someone actually used her veteran status to claimed I was a poor healer for allowing people to drop below 80%. She insisted anyone doing that was an idiot because "I've been playing since beta. I should know." But I suppose that's okay too right? After all, can't hurt anyone's feelings by expecting they do more than bang their heads on a keyboard.

Stupidest thread ever. People should be able to play how they want to. There are players of every skill level. There are too many people like yourself that ridicule others because they don't or aren't capable of playing to your competitive level.

Are you good at everything? Have you ever not played / done anything where you weren't good at but still did so anyway because it was enjoyable? And how would it make you feel if you did your best but it just wasn't good enough? Quit being so competitive and just play the game already.

Never imagined asking someone to press 1-2-3 was a daunting request. What say you to being in a party where...

Your WHM casts nothing but Medica II
Your PLD only uses Flash and maybe an occasionally uncombo'd Rage of Halone
Your DRG spams Impulse Drive

Suddenly you're looking at a 40+ minute dungeon, if you even clear to begin with. Just remember, you can't complain because "people should be able to play how they want."

[Xeon]

Stupidest thread ever. People should be able to play how they want to. There are players of every skill level. There are too many people like yourself that ridicule others because they don't or aren't capable of playing to your competitive level.

Are you good at everything? Have you ever not played / done anything where you weren't good at but still did so anyway because it was enjoyable? And how would it make you feel if you did your best but it just wasn't good enough? Quit being so competitive and just play the game already.

[Oscura]

Stupidest thread ever. People should be able to play how they want to. There are players of every skill level. There are too many people like yourself that ridicule others because they don't or aren't capable of playing to your competitive level.

Are you good at everything? Have you ever not played / done anything where you weren't good at but still did so anyway because it was enjoyable? And how would it make you feel if you did your best but it just wasn't good enough? Quit being so competitive and just play the game already.

You can actually determine level of intelligence and reading comprehension based on the replies to this thread. The OP has gone on multiple times to state that he was talking about the most extreme cases, that he didn't expect perfection or near perfection, and has stated he is not the greatest player.

I feel a bit nauseous every time some moron comes into this thread with this kind of hostile attitude when the OP very specifically included examples like

I'm talking about the BLM that spams Thunder. The WAR that presses only Butcher's Block (NOT the combo line, just the Butcher.)

Oh boy, that Warrior sure is on a different level of skill. He is so poor at this game that he is incapable of understanding something that is explained to you in a text tutorial and literally glows on your hotbar every time you attempt to do it. A combo. He can't even do his job in the slightest, yet somehow it's OP and everyone else's faults for expecting him to. Everyone should simply leave him alone, he's not being lazy or anything at all, he's simply just playing the game "his way," and he's incapable of doing more, it's beyond his skill range. He is incapable of something I could do before I even knew multiplication as a child.

I swear, it's like the grand majority of forum posters have brains that are completely dysfunctional.

Think before you post, for the love of god.

[Krotoan]

I swear, it's like the grand majority of forum posters have brains that are completely dysfunctional.

Think before you post, for the love of god.

I will bet you a house on Balmung that none of these people spouting the "you don't pay my sub" rhetoric or saying that OP is elitist, actually comprehended or even READ the first post.