Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[RokkuEkkusu]

yes, but we don't know if he would have refused to switch, he was never asked. you also don't know if he was trying to get light in the dungeon because he was also never asked. disrespect and level of information held by the person you are talking about was never established. it cannot be established without interaction. we might as well ask if it's disrespectful and uninformed to join a DF run and leave without asking a person's intention when running with an i260 anima.

Dirk, have you tried to get Aetheric Condensation in Stormblood Content?

I mean if anyone wants to use an item level 260 weapon to get their relic lights. That is fine as long as it's stuff like Alexander runs, or even Stormblood Dungeons if you want to test the waters of getting light. But having a lower item level weapon while doing Expert Roulette at this phase of the game just doesn't sit well with me. Especially, if the other two party members have item level 300-310 weapons from the beginning of the run.

[savageink]

Dirk, have you tried to get Aetheric Condensation in Stormblood Content?

I mean if anyone wants to use an item level 260 weapon to get their relic lights. That is fine as long as it's stuff like Alexander runs, oreven Stormblood Dungeons if you want to test the waters of getting light. But having a lower item level weapon while doing Expert Roulette at this phase of the game just doesn't sit well with me. Especially, if the other two party members have item level 300-310 weapons from the beginning of the run.

All I'm saying is you don't know why the guy had an old weapon equipped. You never asked him. I've gotten a few pulls in on newer dungeons while wondering why the hell my damage is shit, before realizing i forgot to switch weapons. It's not like people at level cap don't get 290 weapons free when they do their job quests. So, everybody should have something to switch to. Tossing around "disrespect" and "uninformed" when you have no idea what they were thinking is just kind of silly.

[HyoMinPark]

All I'm saying is you don't know why the guy had an old weapon equipped. You never asked him. I've gotten a few pulls in on newer dungeons while wondering why the hell my damage is shit, before realizing i forgot to switch weapons. It's not like people at level cap don't get 290 weapons free when they do their job quests. So, everybody should have something to switch to. Tossing around "disrespect" and "uninformed" when you have no idea what they were thinking is just kind of silly.

A person enters a Skalla run with mostly 310 gear, but has an ilvl 260 weapon with the intention of gaining light for their anima relic.

The scenario presented in this thread’s post. The person willingly queued into Skalla with an i260 weapon to try and get light for their relic. Which you cannot do, because SB content does not offer light for HW or ARR relics, just like HW content won’t offer light for ARR relics.

Do you think this is respectful or disrespectful?

My answer was: it’s disrespectful AND uninformed on that player’s part. Even if light was given for SB content, queuing into an Expert Roulette/into a level 70 dungeon and gimping yourself that much is disrespectful to the randoms you get matched with. If you wanted to do it in a pre-made, fine. But keep it in a pre-made.

Also would you want to go through the potential trouble of asking that person to switch to a higher item level weapon? Finally, in the event the person refuses to switch, would you put up with relic grinder with a weapon that has an item level way below the required item level number?

Other questions I did not address, but will do so here.

I would mention to the person “You’re wearing an i260 weapon in a level 70 dungeon; please switch”. If they refuse to switch, again, disrespectful. There is nothing in [b]this specific post[/i] that is insinuating the Relic grinder is unaware of his i260 weapon, nor that he would not switch upon being asked. It’s setting up the scenario in such a way to illustrate that he intentionally joined a random level 70 dungeon party in order to gain light for a relic from an entire expansion ago. It’s also setting up the condition that he is refusing to switch upon being asked.

Stop thinking about other posts in different threads, because the post presented in this one, while of a similar nature, is unrelated to the other thread.

Thank you Hyomin. The other thread is me saying what happened to me. This thread has me asking what would happen if the person who read my question experienced a similar situation and how he/she would feel about it in a hypothetical sense.

Rokku even says he is not connecting the two posts, but that they are entirely separate from one another.
Please use a bit of reading comprehension before jumping into a discussion.

[savageink]

Rokku even says he is not connecting the two posts, but that they are entirely separate from one another.
Please use a bit of reading comprehension before jumping into a discussion.

Lol! It's the same post except he left out the part where he bailed without asking. Give me a break.

[HyoMinPark]

Lol! It's the same post except he left out the part where he bailed without asking. Give me a break.

He said that he is presenting a hypothetical scenario entirely separate from his DF post; a scenario in which all the information about intent/purpose is known (i.e., it is known that the person joined a random Skalla run—or we could be even more broad and just say “Level 70 content”—specifically to gain light for an old Relic, it is known that they have been asked to switch their weapons, and it is known that they refused to do so because they want light).

Again, stop mixing this thread’s post and another thread’s post together, because they are being presented in two entirely separate ways (one is a personal experience, the other is a hypothetical situation asking for other people’s responses to a presented situation).

Maybe if it was hypothetical, I'd care.

Alright. I see that this is going nowhere since, even when presented with the fact that the post in this thread is entirely hypothetical and separate from a post in a completely different thread, you refuse to acknowledge and contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way. Have a nice evening.

[savageink]

I see that this is going nowhere since, even when presented with the fact that the post in this thread is entirely hypothetical and separate from a post in a completely different thread, you refuse to acknowledge and contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way. Have a nice evening.

What's there to discuss? This version of the story was presented to get agreement.

[Vstarstruck]

What's there to discuss? This version of the story was presented to get agreement.

read my post, also:

I find it disingenuous to leave out that he knew nothing about what the other guy was thinking because he bailed without asking. And your answers also would require that knowledge for them to be informed.

ITS NOT THE POINT HERE! now stop. If you want to debate the issues you have with the story there, do so there! stop putting things in RokkuEkkusu's mouth:

Thank you Hyomin. The other thread is me saying what happened to me. This thread has me asking what would happen if the person who read my question experienced a similar situation and how he/she would feel about it in a hypothetical sense.

he flat out said it is a different topic being talked about, now STOP! RokkuEkkusu can speak what he means, he does not need you misrepresenting his point.