Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Jijifli]

There's a proper exercise in the Hall of the Novice for heals and iirc dps that teach you exactly that.

The entirely optional hall that I see so many newer players skip, while people who already know it all do it because the ring is good.

[RyuDragnier]

Let's compare shinryu ex rate clears on pf and farms now and when it was new. You can honestly see how low the rate is now compare to before, hell even just a single clear is nearly impossible these days. Why? The very good players usually leave for a month or two before next patch while the rest is hanging around wondering why they can't clear the extreme version. Ever wonder why people got clear faster before? Because good players still around and there are barely enough ones to carry the ones now.

There are seriously a big gap when content is new vs when its getting 1-2 months old. How certain people act in here just gives me another reason to not help people, like its obvious when they clearly don't want to get better but they expect us to play good/great, yet they don't do it themselves.

I've yet to see a Shinryu clear because of people failing the mechs. 90% of the time, I'd rather have a party that can reach enrage without screwing up much compared to one with huge DPS but can't survive mechs, because the enrage group has a CHANCE of success, as long as they step up their game. Remember, numbers mean nothing if you can't survive. You can be the best DPS in the world in terms of damage, but if you can't survive mechs, you're useless to the group...IMO, of course.

[Canopia]

Sounds like you are whining about people who cant play as well as you and they shouldnt be allowed to play the game because it might inconvenience you in some fashion at a later date. There are people who are just not good at games like this but enjoy playing, who are you to say they shouldnt be allowed to play or stuck in some kiddie table version because they dont play at your level. There is plenty of content out there like savage and extreme modes where you can play with higher skilled players. If you go into a roulette expecting savage/extreme level skill, then you are simply setting yourself up for disappointment. Its a roulette, ie a gamble, which includes not only which dungeon you get but how well the people play in your party. If you are the type that cant handle playing with the 'unwashed masses' then you should stick to the friend and free company groups and leave the rest of the players to their own devices.

Also there are not only people who dont play well but people who are skilled though dont bother trying because they feel its inferior content. Along with the people who know that playing badly pisses off people like you and do it intentionally to get a rise out of you. Probably even laughing their butts off at this "rant" of yours.

[RiyahArp]

Sigh...look, once you start obsessing over shoddy play and wondering why others aren't pulling their weight, you start viewing the game as a job. You invest way too much significance into it and get bothered way too much by the actions of others, in a way you simply shouldn't as a game.

When I play this game, most of the time things go fine. I do all my content ok in a decent timeframe, I rarely see any real trolls, and probably the most issues I have is with PvP, but a lot of that is due to how the developer designs content. If they don't go fine...well this is a game, people aren't going to always be good, and at worst i'm out ten minutes once every 100 tries when I leave duty.

But because for a lot of people this game becomes a job, they end up just taking everything so serious even beyond what they should. You see it in Overwatch too, people so concerned with how others act because that simple end of season number is so vital to them that they create these huge myths of bad play and demonize sectors of the playerbase to deal with the stress of their job. There's some extent of developer blame as well...you don't throw random people of varying skill levels together to require high levels of coordination and play.

But ugh, I've seen years of this kind of griping. And it's dumb. People's solution to this is essentially to make the game not fun enough as to drive bad players out through game design and training. They tried that in FFXI, and yeah, a lot of people left as early as valkurm dunes. Not sure why that would work here.

And it didn't solve anything either, people griped as much there, and they completed stuff a lot less to boot.

[Anienai]

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[BillyKaplan]

The entirely optional hall that I see so many newer players skip, while people who already know it all do it because the ring is good.

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink, but you can decide how you respond to it. Have you referred those people to the Hall of the Novice? Have you tried to explain in the Hall's stead? Or do you just expect everyone to start the game with your current level of skill and experience? People here should keep things in proportion and stop taking responsibility for the literal thousands of other players who don't play by their standards. 'This is a game' works in two ways - one, stop demanding perfection from strangers on the internet who won't care as much as you do because it's a game and they're entitled not to care about it, you don't pay their sub. Two, stop demanding perfection on a frigging game with strangers on the internet, love yourself a little bit more.

[Krotoan]

Sigh...look, once you start obsessing over shoddy play and wondering why others aren't pulling their weight, you start viewing the game as a job. (editing)

You don't get to tell other people how to have fun. What's enjoyable for some people is grueling for others.
The OP is self-admittedly venting and you come in here and tell him how dare he expect people to do the objectives in a reasonable capacity. Doesn't come across well.

[UsagiAndCrepes]

Sigh...look, once you start obsessing over shoddy play and wondering why others aren't pulling their weight, you start viewing the game as a job. (editing)

Some ppl value their time because if they had more of it they could spend even more time ranting about it. That's what I'm understanding from this thread.

[RiyahArp]

You don't get to tell other people how to have fun. What's enjoyable for some people is grueling for others.
The OP is self-admittedly venting and you come in here and tell him how dare he expect people to do the objectives in a reasonable capacity. Doesn't come across well.

If it's grueling and not fun, then why are you doing it? If whether or not it is fun is so dependent on your "co-workers" and not you, that's kind of a recipe for disaster, isn't it?

[Miste]

Sigh...look, once you start obsessing over shoddy play and wondering why others aren't pulling their weight, you start viewing the game as a job. You invest way too much significance into it and get bothered way too much by the actions of others, in a way you simply shouldn't as a game.

This whole thread was talking about basics. Expecting a healer to heal, a tank to tank, and a DPS to try to do damage..... is taking the game too seriously and therefore making it out to be a job?

Oh please...just stop this nonsense. You're gonna drive me to another existential crisis.