Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[RyuDragnier]

It was nice content to see. But didn't it get nerfed because of the players we're talking about? I'm not sure, saw it being ask but don't remember if it been done or not.

They never nerfed it (as far as I recall), and said they wouldn't nerf it. I applaud them on that, because everybody knows that iLevel increases are the biggest nerf to old content. You don't need to nerf a tough fight when the increased survivability and damage you get with each gear upgrade is more than enough to nerf the fight into Oblivion...see Praetorium for examples, people used to die all the time during the Ultima fights, and when the tomestones changed, that stopped really quickly.

[LyraKuroneko]

They never nerfed it (as far as I recall), and said they wouldn't nerf it. I applaud them on that, because everybody knows that iLevel increases are the biggest nerf to old content. You don't need to nerf a tough fight when the increased survivability and damage you get with each gear upgrade is more than enough to nerf the fight into Oblivion...see Praetorium for examples, people used to die all the time during the Ultima fights, and when the tomestones changed, that stopped really quickly.

Good to know.

Old content is way too easy thanks to the new gear, as you say it's been nerfed on it's own. I would like sync to be "stronger" so that it isn't so easy. I mean, look at CT now, you don't even begin to see the mech :/

[Lilseph]

Good to know.

Old content is way too easy thanks to the new gear, as you say it's been nerfed on it's own. I would like sync to be "stronger" so that it isn't so easy. I mean, look at CT now, you don't even begin to see the mech :/

And on top of gear and potentially echo, some instances suffered from additional nerfs because people couldn't keep them up. Right off the top of my head:

-Amdapor Keep.
-Pharos Sirius.
-Steps of Faith.
-Binding Coil of Bahamut 1; 2 and 4.
-Second Coil of Bahamut 1; 2 and 3.
-I didn't play during Midas, but I think they nerfed A6?

[Brill_]

You say this:

Now, as the OP suggests, I also do not expect perfect play.

Then you say this:

I love playing this game, but don't waste my time.

Runs take longer when people make mistakes. It looks like you are expecting perfection, otherwise people are wasting your time. Your expectations are silly. You do a 12 minute run with your FC, therefore all runs should be 12 minutes. Really? If you are going to pug stuff, you need to accept the fact that you will be working with people of varying levels of skill and experience. Sometimes it's a great group, sometimes it's just average. Maybe people are playing something than their main job. Sometimes people have a bad run. It happens. We're human(most of us anyway). If you are going to complain about your time being wasted because a run takes 8 minutes longer than it does with your FC, maybe you should stick to single player games where you won't have other people wasting your time.

[winsock]

But that doesn’t make lazy play (note, how I said lazy play, not play born from lack of knowledge on your job/role) okay.

Here is my issue with that:
Under normal circumstances, you can't realistically distinguish between lazy play and poor play due to lack of knowledge.

I mean you really cant know for sure unless they tell you and that doesn't happen very often.

If you determine someone to be engaging in 'lazy play' and they didn't tell you themselves, your determination is based solely on your "feelings", as the other data you have access to (such as level) is not reflective of the sincerity of their effort.

If you can't realistically confirm 'lazy play' and are holding those players accountable, you are essentially holding them accountable for the "feeling" you have about them. That's not right.

[LyraKuroneko]

Here is my issue with that:
Under normal circumstances, you can't realistically distinguish between lazy play and poor play due to lack of knowledge.

I mean you really cant know for sure unless they tell you and that doesn't happen very often.

If you determine someone to be engaging in 'lazy play' and they didn't tell you themselves, your determination is based solely on your "feelings", as the other data you have access to (such as level) is not reflective of the sincerity of their effort.

If you can't realistically confirm 'lazy play' and are holding those players accountable, you are essentially holding them accountable for the "feeling" you have about them. That's not right.

Or not. Because if you feel they're doing wrong one way or another. Usually you ask them. You get which one it is by their answer.

[Jijifli]

Here is my issue with that:
Under normal circumstances, you can't realistically distinguish between lazy play and poor play due to lack of knowledge.

I mean you really cant know for sure unless they tell you and that doesn't happen very often.

If you determine someone to be engaging in 'lazy play' and they didn't tell you themselves, your determination is based solely on your "feelings", as the other data you have access to (such as level) is not reflective of the sincerity of their effort.

If you can't realistically confirm 'lazy play' and are holding those players accountable, you are essentially holding them accountable for the "feeling" you have about them. That's not right.

Players who just don't understand will usually listen.

Lazy people would rather call you nasty things.

[akaneakki]

Let's compare shinryu ex rate clears on pf and farms now and when it was new. You can honestly see how low the rate is now compare to before, hell even just a single clear is nearly impossible these days. Why? The very good players usually leave for a month or two before next patch while the rest is hanging around wondering why they can't clear the extreme version. Ever wonder why people got clear faster before? Because good players still around and there are barely enough ones to carry the ones now.

There are seriously a big gap when content is new vs when its getting 1-2 months old. How certain people act in here just gives me another reason to not help people, like its obvious when they clearly don't want to get better but they expect us to play good/great, yet they don't do it themselves.

[Iscah]

One thing the game does make hard to learn is properly avoiding AoE markers - because it’s not instinctive (and not explained in Hall of the Novice) that the marked area is essentially the attack itself, and the attack animation is actually harmless. It took me a while of “staying in the warning zone until it fades and then getting out because the attack is about to begin” before I finally realised why I was still being hit by attacks I was visually well clear of.

[BillyKaplan]

One thing the game does make hard to learn is properly avoiding AoE markers - because it’s not instinctive (and not explained in Hall of the Novice)

There's a proper exercise in the Hall of the Novice for heals and iirc dps that teach you exactly that.