Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Starflake]

I sometimes struggle in this game to not be foul mouthed. Yes, it's a game that you're playing, but you are playing with me and others. Other people who's time is dependend on you. If you're somewhat of a responsible adult with a good head on his shoulders, people should realise this. I don't enjoy spending thirty minutes in an expert roulette because you haven't figured out how to aoe at all in level 70 content. When I enter a farm party, I don't want to kill primals only twice in like an hour because you aren't prepared and are doing a poor job. I invest time in this game, but I'm also invested in spending that time optimally. Now, as the OP suggests, I also do not expect perfect play. I expect people to be reasonable and realise they carry a responsibility to not waste my and other people their time. The game is 16 plus in most countries and 12 plus in some others. So it's to be expected that there will be people who simply do not possess the common sense at that age to realise or understimate the value of other people their time. I am not playing currently, but when the new patch arrives and I will hopefully be playing, I will attempt to pug as little as possible. On average, an expert with FC friends lasts 12 minutes. A decent run with pugs lasts 20 and a bad one 25-30 minutes. Think about that for a moment. If you've been playing this game for four years doing one expert a day. Let's say I would pug an expert each time and on average I lose 10 minutes in comparison to an FC run. 365x4= 1460. Multiply that by 10 and you have 14600 minutes lost you could have spent doing something else. 240 hours total. And that is only for experts. I don't see this as a joke. I love playing this game, but don't waste my time.

[Brill_]

You say this:

Now, as the OP suggests, I also do not expect perfect play.

Then you say this:

I love playing this game, but don't waste my time.

Runs take longer when people make mistakes. It looks like you are expecting perfection, otherwise people are wasting your time. Your expectations are silly. You do a 12 minute run with your FC, therefore all runs should be 12 minutes. Really? If you are going to pug stuff, you need to accept the fact that you will be working with people of varying levels of skill and experience. Sometimes it's a great group, sometimes it's just average. Maybe people are playing something than their main job. Sometimes people have a bad run. It happens. We're human(most of us anyway). If you are going to complain about your time being wasted because a run takes 8 minutes longer than it does with your FC, maybe you should stick to single player games where you won't have other people wasting your time.

[Starflake]

You say this:



Then you say this:


Runs take longer when people make mistakes. It looks like you are expecting perfection, otherwise people are wasting your time. Your expectations are silly. You do a 12 minute run with your FC, therefore all runs should be 12 minutes. Really? If you are going to pug stuff, you need to accept the fact that you will be working with people of varying levels of skill and experience. Sometimes it's a great group, sometimes it's just average. Maybe people are playing something than their main job. Sometimes people have a bad run. It happens. We're human(most of us anyway). If you are going to complain about your time being wasted because a run takes 8 minutes longer than it does with your FC, maybe you should stick to single player games where you won't have other people wasting your time.

I should have been more specific. It was to demonstrate the amount of time lost and to argue that people should be sensible and try their best. I am not expecting 12 minute runs outside of my FC, I am expecting people to know their job and respect my time and the rest of the party their time. I thought that was pretty clear, but apparently it wasn't. I'm usually just fine when a run with pugs lasts twenty minutes if everyone is doing a decent job. I'm also fine when a Sastasha normal mode lasts 25 minutes if people are new and for example want to take in the scenery. I'd thought people would be clever enough to take this context for granted. What I do not think is fine, and this is the point I originally made is when the run lasts 20 minutes for example due to one player not even knowing how to aoe at 70. Or those two healers that do zero DPS and die more often than not in Primal farm. Hope that clarifies things a bit.

[ovIm]

I think, while people now start talking about the diversing skill of the players, the kind of people op talks about are perfectly summed up in this picture:



Now, we would all agree that playing with stickman on the left would not be a fun experience because he is not playing tic tac toe, he is just scribbling on the paper, right?